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explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself Ian as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO

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of ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology as

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well as other dimensions it's time to

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take back the night now your

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electrifying hosts of exploring the

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Tim hey Tim hey why are you looking

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through to the next yard is there a

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pretty girl in a bikini or something

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Shh I'm looking out for one of our

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guests tonight I heard there might be a

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nest of Bigfoot in his yard in his yard

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isn't that a strange place to find him

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family of Bigfoot hanging out I don't

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know I would think that crypt woodkid

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would have made friends with them and

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besides his mother won't let him off the

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block because he's so young yeah that's

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what they say but I guess we're just

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gonna have to find out for ourselves so

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let's just get on with the show

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absolutely time for another episode

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rip-roaring episode of exploring the

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bizarre but who the greatest host in -

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the greatest host in all of the

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paranormal right I'd like to meet them

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what's gonna go on tonight so we can

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inform our informed audience Oh be my

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pleasure well you know tonight is the

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cryptozoology illogical special boy

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that's a mouthful sometimes isn't it and

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we have on with us tonight the return of

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Katie Elizabeth now katie has been on

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our show before so it's happy we're very

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happy to have her back now Katie was

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born in a war Rhode Island and is the

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world's leading authority on the lake

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champlain monster katie has been

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study in the existence of champ since

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she was a child and she's made it her

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her lifelong dream into reality when she

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had her own sighting and experiences of

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this elusive creature now that prompted

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her to start her own group called champ

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search and the group's goal is to study

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investigate and prove the existence of

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the most importantly and most

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importantly to protect the unique

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animals that inhabit New York and

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Vermont's beautiful Lake Champlain now

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katie is the author of the book water

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horse with Lake Champlain - and of

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course it's available on amazon.com with

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us tonight now this will be his first

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appearance on exploring the bazaar and

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we're happy to have him is Colin

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Schneider now Colin is one of the

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world's youngest active researchers in

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the United States and at only 16 years

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old he's been involved in crypto zoology

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and you ethology since he was 13 after

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cryptozoology Museum in Portland Maine

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a frequent attendee of conferences

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around about the unexplained there Colin

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lectures at various events around Ohio

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and Pennsylvania he's also a regional

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representative for the Center for 40 in

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zoology and the host of the crypto kid

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radio show on the W CJ V digital

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broadcasting network so welcome both of

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you to explore in the bazaar welcome

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into our ACO our digital living room hey

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Tim before we get started I did want to

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mention a couple of things I wanted to

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give a shout out to our longtime friend

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Glenda Campbell who probably most of you

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have seen him on UFO Hunters and on some

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he was the fellow who used to climb

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freedom Ridge outside of area 51 until

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were going on in area 51 well Glenn just

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wish him a full recovery apparently he

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driving and I don't really know the the

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upshot of that but he was in the

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hospital for a while and now I

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understand he went to stay with his dad

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in New England so we do wish him well he

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had one of the first what would you call

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him were they chat boards bulletin

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boards yeah yeah I probably probably a

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bulletin board or BBS that goes back

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even before of my time I think yeah yeah

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I was kind of a late bloomer when it

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came to the to the Internet my first

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device was a web TV oh my gosh well it

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was it was it was a fun product and very

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easy to use but they never they never

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updated that unfortunately and so it

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just went out of existence

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they basically although there may still

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be a few people with web TV addresses I

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had one up until about a year ago Oh

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until I forgot what my password was and

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hour so hunting around for all so i

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posted a rather unusual photograph tim

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on on the internet do you know about the

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chess pieces that fell mysteriously from

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the sky outside of washington d.c no

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that's a new one well well this happened

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well it happened I guess either

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yesterday or or today and they were

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giant chess pieces I mean there's

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something right out of a cosmic chess

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board and I I think maybe Charles fort

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if you remember one of the famous quotes

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that Charles fort made was about how we

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were just chess pieces of a cosmic

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checkerboard so I think that I think

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this is a synchronicity or proof indeed

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because they they smashed windows I

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think what if you would

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you know cars the windshields were

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smashed in by these giant chess pieces

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well they said that they were thrown

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from a building but that seems highly

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unlikely I mean and no proof of that but

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the smashed windows and the pieces of

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the chessboard are indeed there for all

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to see so you can find it I think you

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know rather easily on the Internet and

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if you go to my facebook page it's on

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you know my page there and you can take

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a gander and come up with your own idea

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but I want to start out I think the

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conversation this evening with the

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college now you're you are 16 years old

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is that correct no my bio is actually a

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little out of date what I sent it to you

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guys I'm 17 now you're growing old right

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before our very eyes well you know we

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kind of had a little joke there to begin

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to get your your expense but you know I

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started out a very very younger myself

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in ufology and so so did a lot of the

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people that are very active today Jean

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Steinberg who does the para cast

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let's see Jerry a Clark who was with the

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dr. Hynek Center for UFO studies and

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quite a few other researchers who are

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now you know up there in years I started

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at the the site pretty much the same

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time we all had a teenage UFO groups and

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we all found each other through ray

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Palmer's flying saucers magazine but

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tell us about your roots how did you

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find Bigfoot or did Bigfoot find you

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well I first got interested in

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cryptozoology when I watched the show

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called monster quest that probably

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everyone is familiar with um I was eight

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at the time that it started showing and

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it was kind of a perfect combination of

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two of my favorite things monsters and

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animals and in every episode there was

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just one lovely bearded guy pretty much

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on every episode and he seems to know

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everything about everything

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he seems Loren Coleman

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the most famous cryptozoologist alive

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and that just that was kind of what got

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me interested in it but what set me on

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the path that I'm on today was my family

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took a trip in 2013 to Maine and I

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actually got a chance to visit the

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museum that Lauren runs up there I got

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to meet him and we had a brief chat and

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I remember walking out of the museum

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with a stack of books after I spent all

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of my money at the gift shop thinking

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that's what I want to do I'm sure he

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appreciated that and what we're

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mentioning Loren Coleman I want to wish

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him a happy birthday because his

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birthday is that I think on Saturday and

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I know that because it's a day after

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mine so a happy birthday Lauren and I

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hope you listening there to the show and

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Colin is you're here to your

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responsibility so what what was it

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exactly about the museum that fascinated

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you the most I mean I've never been

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there what were some of the exhibits

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two-room Museum now it's much bigger but

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when when I went it was very charming

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that seemed almost like it was just a

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basement of someone who's very very

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interested in this stuff and it was just

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this huge collection of this random

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things put in this order of what type of

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cryptid they're involved with and what

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what got me excited was there there was

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just there were a hair samples

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supposedly from various mystery apes

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around the world and there were

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footprints all around and um and like

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every single piece of the museum had

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such a history to it and and such a

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significance to cryptozoology I don't

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know it just wasn't one thing in

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particular I just got super excited

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about it on more than I had ever

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previously been and I just haven't

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stopped since and you know you you

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runnin or you

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your own organization or you're an

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active member of one yeah I work with

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the Center for T in zoology which is the

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largest cryptozoological organization in

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the world we do all kinds of expeditions

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around the world we have a lot of

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different outreach programs and within

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the CSV I have a couple different

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responsibilities

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I am a regional representative for Ohio

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and generally some of the surrounding

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states as well because there are a lot

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of active members in this area I am also

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a the deputy director for the BHM

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research group which is the group we

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have arm specifically dedicated to

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researching and collecting data on what

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we call big hairy monsters aka

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the hairy hominids um you know Bigfoot

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Yeti Alma whatnot and I'm also the

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director and founder of the next

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generation initiative which is an

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outreach program that we're trying to

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get off the ground for the next

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generation of cryptozoologists people

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that are my age or slightly older

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slightly younger well get some get some

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ufology people in there because we need

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we need some younger blood in the in the

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field some of us here are getting to be

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a dinosaurs which I guess is okay if

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you'd missed the a trip to zoology I I

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would guess what just like Tim I mean as

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long as we're talking yeah but you know

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it's I'm I'm I'm just I'm happy to see

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somebody you know younger interested in

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you know not you apology and kazoo ology

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and you know everything like this

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because I mean you hear a lot of people

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complain that the younger generations I

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mean they're not interested in this kind

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of stuff they're just interested in

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their cell phones about that and it's

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just you know I know it's not true you

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know there there are plenty of younger

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members coming into this and but so I

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mean I'm happy that we were able to get

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one on to our show just to prove the

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skeptics wrong I do I do a lot of

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research in every

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singing for Tiana but I promote myself

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mainly as a cryptozoologist partially

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because that's what I'm most experienced

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with and also the name crypto kids

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really catchy oh it is apps absolutely

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so now where is the the 14 group that

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you are active in where are they

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headquartered headquartered in the

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United Kingdom under the head of

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jonathan downs he's a wonderful

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wonderful man he's kind of like Hagrid

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in the flesh but their world worldwide

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organization we have people I think I'm

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pretty sure I've been I'm pretty sure

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that I've been to the site a couple of

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times over the years and I of course the

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the 14 times is selectively published

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there in the in the UK we're not

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connected to the magazine were we're

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solely a cryptozoological group we

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reason we call ourselves the Centre for

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40 in zoology is so we can research some

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of the other weirder stuff like black

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dogs and what we call new forms that may

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not fall right into the flesh and blood

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mind set for this wallet very good well

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you know there's a video of me and the

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MIB a lady on YouTube where we are

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visiting the the grave site of charles

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fort he is buried along with the rest of

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his family and the albany rural cemetery

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and at some point we've talked about

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actually having kind of a what would we

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call this a flash meeting you know where

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we just announced it and anybody who

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wants to show up can show up at the the

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grave site and give a little chat on

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Charles tour tour or ghost because the

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cemetery has its own men in black it has

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a couple of oh I guess the ghosts that

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fly over the tombstones at night in

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their pajamas carrying their candles and

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and black dogs and the whole bit it's

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kind of a real you know scent

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activity appoint 440 and phenomena in

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that area and well it should because

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Charles for two is right there keeping

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an eye on on all of that okay can you

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tell us a Colin uh maybe a case or so

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that you've investigated or been

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involved with that impressed you so um

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one of my main focuses of study is

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concerning cryptid livestock attacks and

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when I say that generally people

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immediately think of the chupacabra

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but I don't really have anything to do

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with the chupacabra I focus on attacks

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associated with other types of cryptids

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on such as Bigfoot or alien big cats my

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several dog ones so that type of thing

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um one of my favorites happened in

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December of 1972 in Oklahoma it was El

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Reno Oklahoma ha the newspapers called

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it the El Reno chicken man as a story

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goes an unnamed farmer was relaxing in

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his trailer home uh one winter night in

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December and he started hearing the

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squawking panicked sounds from his

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chicken coop so he throws on his boots

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grabs his jacket grabs his gun and goes

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out to see what was going on and what he

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finds is the chicken coop has been

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raided there's blood and feathers

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everywhere but no chickens the door was

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ripped off broken in half

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and the weird thing is he found all

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kinds of large humanoid-looking

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footprints around the chicken coop as

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well as handprints in the blood on the

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walls and on the door

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so the farmer said he he didn't know

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what to do with it he has no idea um

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what happened he had no idea what the

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footprints were so he sent them off to

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the director of the Oklahoma City Zoo

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all his name eludes me but at the time

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Lawrence Curtis at the time he was kind

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of like gee go-to guy he had mysterious

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footprints hmm you'd send them out to

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him and he'd look at him and try to

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identify them and in an interview with

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the local newspaper in February after

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they got wind of the story he said that

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it whatever happened whatever causes

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footprints it definitely wasn't human

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it definitely wasn't there but he's not

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sure what it was he said that it has

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traits of humans but it also has traits

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of a type of ape similar to a gorilla

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but larger um but he made the decision

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that he couldn't really tell exactly

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what caught what created the footprints

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um

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I've tried to track him down he's kind

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of off the grid I'm pretty sure he's

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still alive but I have not been able to

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find any contact information for him

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because I'd love to talk to him about

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the story it's it's one of my favorites

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partially because you know the chicken

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man's a great name for a cryptid that is

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why all the there is one concern with

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the story and that is that the farmer

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had something like a hundred and thirty

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chickens in the coop and according to

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the story all of them were missing and

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he had it I estimate it was only

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probably at most ten minutes between him

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first hearing the sounds and getting out

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there and in that ten minutes whatever

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supposedly stole the chicken stole all

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of them is there none left in the

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and got away before the farmer caught it

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that's a lot of it was down in one

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setting exactly it's a weird glaring

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issue in a fascinating story and I don't

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really have an answer

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that that one fact makes it slightly

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questionable but at the same time

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Laurence Curtis a zoologist did

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determine that the footprints were not

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human and they were not bear so

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something might have happened but maybe

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it was exaggerated by the media all

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right well I am going to hold you right

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there because we are coming up to our

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bottom of the hour break and when we

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come back we will bring Katie Elizabeth

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into the conversation to talk about her

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most recent research with champ the lake

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monster so you are listening to

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exploring the bizarre right here on K Co

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are we will be right back

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now back to exploring the bazaar with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

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Lee and tinsmiths alright welcome back

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to exploring the bazaar and now Tim

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we're gonna bring out Katie Elizabeth

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into the conversation Katie hi it's

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great to have you back

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hi guys it's great to be back on again

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it's been a long time

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well you are kind of a almost as elusive

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as champions really busy season for sure

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already I've just been so booked with

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everything and I'm going crazy I'm like

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I need a vacation

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well it sounds like you have that you

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are spending so much time and you're

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launch launch is that what you would

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call it or motorboat or what how do you

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define the vessel name do your research

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ah well my research vessel I guess if

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you want to put it that way well you you

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spend a lot of time on the open water on

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the lake that's a huge lake Yeah right

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yelling Champlain is around 120 miles

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long 400 feet at sea this is 65 feet at

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average depth very very large Lake

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underestimated by most there's a lot of

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bad weather that just pops up out of

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nowhere

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I've got stuck in a storm I learned the

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hard way this is last September and

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almost sunk so it I could understand all

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there's over 300 shipwrecks in the lake

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so yeah there's some treacherous

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condition you know you have the

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Adirondack Mountains on the New York

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side and you have the Green Mountains

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here on the Vermont side so what happens

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especially the area that I almost sunk

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in right in that area in particular

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there's a shipwreck called the water

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witch which is a eighty three foot long

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schooner and I hit bad weather

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right yes right above this shipwreck and

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with a reason for that area being so bad

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when the weather turns bad there's

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basically this funnel of when that goes

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through there it's like this huge jet

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stream that flows through though you

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know the mountain range right there in

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the Adirondacks so you don't want to be

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out on the lake unless you know what the

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weather is going to be and even if you

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know what the weather is going to be if

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it's one of those things they can just

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come up out of nowhere so it's good to

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have an emergency radio on hand for sure

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which I didn't have at the time

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ooh if I if I was starting out let's say

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on the New York side of the lake and

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we're headed up to the other side how

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long would it take me to get there well

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let's see I'm using West Point New York

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to Arnold a which is Pantin Vermont it

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would probably be I would say about 15

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minutes

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that's more than narrow part of the lake

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when you get up towards Burlington it's

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a lot wider that's like the broadly

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there's much more Lake up that way so

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down here it's more narrow then you get

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towards the southern part of the lake

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towards Whitehall New York which I know

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you guys are familiar with any Bigfoot

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sightings

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yeah yeah there we go maybe maybe a

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Bigfoot goes and knows you're your

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friend there a champ so we never know

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where do you do most of your hunting

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most of my research that I do is not far

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from where I live in the Feres burg

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Vermont I do basically my well the

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research that I do is mostly I'm about

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45 minutes south burlington vermont so

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i'm more towards the southern part of

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the lake but not the very bottom of the

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lakes and kind of in the middle range of

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the lake but buttoned a West Point New

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York facing Harbor is another place

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basically that whole area of the lake I

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cover probably I would say hmm probably

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20 25 miles maybe 30 I do Shelburne Bay

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which is north

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here I do so southern Burlington but

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once you get up that way like I said the

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lake is much broader and bigger and it's

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it's a little bit harder to I stick to

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where I've had experiences and captured

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video and audio recordings I try to stay

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in the same places but I'm also

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exploring different parts of the lake

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where I'm getting a new sighting reports

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and things like that so well you have

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been extremely you have been extremely

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lucky in getting some very fine video of

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what indeed might be a champ but a Tim I

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didn't mean to take the microphone away

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from you I'm afraid to touch anything

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here on my console because so I'll just

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pass it pass the baton to you that's

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right but I am I am curious so katie has

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there been much much activity this year

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I mean sightings not only you know with

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with yourself but you know with a

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tourist or a resident of the area well I

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really haven't had any recent reports

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from anyone else other than what I've

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had happen in the last few weeks I've

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actually gotten a couple interesting

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videos in the last couple of weeks so

542
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:23,980
I'm really excited nothing like you know

543
00:27:27,450 --> 00:27:25,570
no head neck or anything like that I

544
00:27:30,030 --> 00:27:27,460
would use a very rare thing to see I had

545
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:30,040
experience at one time unfortunately my

546
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:32,410
camera at the time was a piece of junk

547
00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:36,310
and I think it to zoom in and it was

548
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:38,860
just crazy but um Dennis my partner that

549
00:27:42,660 --> 00:27:40,960
also works with me doing champ stuff

550
00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:42,670
he's been doing this for the past oh

551
00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:46,990
gosh 35 years at least he was there with

552
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,580
me when we had that head neck sighting

553
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:50,320
and I cried for two hours I think I told

554
00:27:55,260 --> 00:27:52,090
you guys about that the last time I did

555
00:27:56,940 --> 00:27:55,270
the show but I'm hoping lightning will

556
00:27:59,010 --> 00:27:56,950
strike twice and I will see that again

557
00:28:01,290 --> 00:27:59,020
and I will get on video this time but it

558
00:28:04,050 --> 00:28:01,300
was it was amazing but in the last

559
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:04,060
couple of weeks I've gathered a couple

560
00:28:09,450 --> 00:28:06,370
of videos that are quite interesting one

561
00:28:12,810 --> 00:28:09,460
a very strange week with two objects

562
00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:12,820
that appear darker in the wake and

563
00:28:15,570 --> 00:28:14,470
what's interesting in these videos that

564
00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:15,580
I'm getting are

565
00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:18,190
the same area where I've gathered

566
00:28:22,860 --> 00:28:20,200
echolocation recordings as well as

567
00:28:24,660 --> 00:28:22,870
ultra-low frequency sounds and it's also

568
00:28:28,730 --> 00:28:24,670
the same area that I captured another

569
00:28:31,140 --> 00:28:28,740
video back in 2014 so this area is just

570
00:28:33,390 --> 00:28:31,150
there's a reason why these animals are

571
00:28:36,030 --> 00:28:33,400
going and you know basically hang out in

572
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,040
this area every year and the last like

573
00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:38,080
three to four years um I've been

574
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:40,630
basically listening with the hydrophone

575
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,450
system and pinpointing the location of

576
00:28:48,690 --> 00:28:45,760
these animals by listening hmm so now

577
00:28:52,110 --> 00:28:48,700
what I'm trying to do and basically use

578
00:28:56,130 --> 00:28:52,120
sonar to pinpoint you know get some sort

579
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:56,140
of imagery you know to show you know

580
00:29:00,900 --> 00:28:58,570
exactly what's down there the only

581
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:00,910
downside to sonar and a lot of people oh

582
00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:03,130
is like oh I can't just go down there

583
00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:05,230
with sonar and do all this stuff what

584
00:29:09,030 --> 00:29:06,580
they have to understand is that these

585
00:29:11,610 --> 00:29:09,040
animals have a high sensitivity of

586
00:29:14,250 --> 00:29:11,620
hearing extremely high sensitivity of

587
00:29:17,610 --> 00:29:14,260
hearing any only reason why I think this

588
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:17,620
is reality with examples is that there

589
00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:20,170
are so many reports um say people

590
00:29:24,030 --> 00:29:21,910
getting out of their car and slamming

591
00:29:26,220 --> 00:29:24,040
the door or making a loud noise and

592
00:29:27,810 --> 00:29:26,230
they're just like gone so see them in

593
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:27,820
there they turn their head and look and

594
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:31,780
they're just out of there and also like

595
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:33,310
with the Sandra Mansi photo that was

596
00:29:39,180 --> 00:29:37,210
taken in 1977 she described this is one

597
00:29:42,270 --> 00:29:39,190
thing that she had told me on the phone

598
00:29:45,420 --> 00:29:42,280
I spoke to her five years ago she had

599
00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:45,430
told me that before she actually after

600
00:29:50,370 --> 00:29:47,380
she saw the animal pop its head neck up

601
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:50,380
and it looked around it before I go

602
00:29:55,050 --> 00:29:53,200
under the water it looked and kind of

603
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:55,060
looked alerted and then went under the

604
00:29:59,400 --> 00:29:57,010
water and she said like I think it was a

605
00:30:01,500 --> 00:29:59,410
minute later this speedboat was coming

606
00:30:05,250 --> 00:30:01,510
down late you know it heard that boat

607
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:05,260
way before it even got in its visibility

608
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:07,510
you know it was this animal had to be

609
00:30:11,130 --> 00:30:10,450
hearing this and also with a lot of

610
00:30:13,740 --> 00:30:11,140
sightings

611
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,750
there's more than one animal eyes I told

612
00:30:18,780 --> 00:30:16,000
before I I usually just say champ but

613
00:30:21,390 --> 00:30:18,790
there's champs there has to be a staying

614
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:21,400
population of these animals in the lake

615
00:30:26,820 --> 00:30:25,330
to last this long and it's just silly

616
00:30:28,860 --> 00:30:26,830
the thing that there's just one champ

617
00:30:29,390 --> 00:30:28,870
because you'll have a sighting down here

618
00:30:32,270 --> 00:30:29,400
and say

619
00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:32,280
panton Vermont on the lake and then two

620
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:34,140
hours later or even like 10 minutes

621
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:36,210
later up in Burlington someone saw Jam

622
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:38,730
so it's impossible but I'm doing it up

623
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:40,710
and down the lake like oh I just thought

624
00:30:45,140 --> 00:30:43,410
and and there's also multiple animal

625
00:30:48,290 --> 00:30:45,150
sightings as well which I've gotten a

626
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:48,300
video of two and three of them and

627
00:30:54,290 --> 00:30:50,910
Dennis has as well so they definitely

628
00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:54,300
like to move in groups which is

629
00:30:58,610 --> 00:30:56,220
interesting I think that is basically a

630
00:31:03,049 --> 00:30:58,620
hunting tactic that they use when

631
00:31:06,140 --> 00:31:03,059
they're hunting for food well I'm sorry

632
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:06,150
okay yeah just let me ask this one thing

633
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:10,110
here now in Loch Ness over the the

634
00:31:16,990 --> 00:31:12,059
centuries there have been maybe one or

635
00:31:20,510 --> 00:31:17,000
two cases where the monster has actually

636
00:31:22,370 --> 00:31:20,520
gotten up on land no more than one thing

637
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:22,380
like that yeah well anything like that

638
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:23,130
would chance

639
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:28,410
oh absolutely there's quite a few really

640
00:31:33,410 --> 00:31:31,020
interesting yeah there is yeah there's

641
00:31:37,490 --> 00:31:33,420
and it's funny because don't really hear

642
00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:37,500
about these land sightings um you know

643
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:40,110
like I mean it's just not a common thing

644
00:31:44,150 --> 00:31:41,730
to hear about and it's really

645
00:31:45,890 --> 00:31:44,160
interesting because most the report that

646
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:45,900
I get of the on land saying except for

647
00:31:49,370 --> 00:31:48,450
one I Frank 14 Seibert she was on

648
00:31:52,669 --> 00:31:49,380
Monster quest

649
00:31:54,740 --> 00:31:52,679
and she saw two champ animals go

650
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:54,750
underneath this light pole that she had

651
00:31:59,720 --> 00:31:57,570
in the front of her marina and what's

652
00:32:02,210 --> 00:31:59,730
really interesting about that was the

653
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,220
animal came out of the woods I said to

654
00:32:06,590 --> 00:32:04,320
myself one oh really coming up Woods was

655
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:06,600
kind of strange and this woman she's

656
00:32:10,490 --> 00:32:08,340
like one of my best friends now he

657
00:32:12,049 --> 00:32:10,500
they're just like so bonded and her

658
00:32:15,790 --> 00:32:12,059
brother's really nice and it's kind of

659
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:15,800
like my adopted grandparent now but um I

660
00:32:21,860 --> 00:32:18,360
when you speak yo you know that she's

661
00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:21,870
just totally 120 million % honest like I

662
00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:23,580
just know according to what I seen as

663
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:25,830
well it's like wow where it's pretty

664
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:27,840
cool so when she said these animals came

665
00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:29,250
out of the woods I'm thinking what in

666
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:31,860
the world is kind of weird so I ended up

667
00:32:37,490 --> 00:32:34,770
looking on Google Earth and I look

668
00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:37,500
behind where the boathouse is now with a

669
00:32:41,870 --> 00:32:39,240
boat house is situated you have the

670
00:32:42,980 --> 00:32:41,880
mouth of the Winooski River the mouth of

671
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,990
the river seems you

672
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:44,880
the very good places for these animals

673
00:32:49,790 --> 00:32:48,090
to yeah you know basically hunt for food

674
00:32:50,930 --> 00:32:49,800
I mean there's tons of fish coming out

675
00:32:53,630 --> 00:32:50,940
of these rivers and it's the perfect

676
00:32:55,940 --> 00:32:53,640
kind of camp buffet for them to be

677
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:55,950
hanging out and feeding and then right

678
00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:58,170
behind the boathouse there's this vast

679
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:01,620
marsh system and there's just so much

680
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:04,500
Marsh there that that I know we're back

681
00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:06,210
these animals came out of that Marsh and

682
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:08,580
it's an interesting because she had said

683
00:33:12,770 --> 00:33:10,410
when they came up to this light pole and

684
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,780
she looked out the window she look they

685
00:33:16,790 --> 00:33:14,640
look just like a dinosaur long neck

686
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:16,800
small head and she said you know it's

687
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:18,809
really funny one of them a smaller one

688
00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:21,330
was brown and the larger one was pea

689
00:33:25,549 --> 00:33:23,640
green and I was like a little difference

690
00:33:28,090 --> 00:33:25,559
in color that does happening in many

691
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,100
animal species but then I got thinking

692
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:30,000
hmm in Marsh

693
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:32,220
you see Turtles coming out of the marsh

694
00:33:36,650 --> 00:33:34,440
and they have this moss on their shell

695
00:33:38,540 --> 00:33:36,660
sometimes I'm if she said it looked all

696
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:38,550
moldy to me that's all I could think of

697
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:41,370
something that this animal had this type

698
00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:43,530
of moss on it and that makes a lot of

699
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:45,660
sense because I see a lot of turtles out

700
00:33:49,820 --> 00:33:47,250
here in the lake and in the marsh and

701
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:49,830
they're covered in this loss and this

702
00:33:55,130 --> 00:33:51,690
was in the spring and this is about I

703
00:33:57,620 --> 00:33:55,140
would say probably 25 or 30 years ago it

704
00:34:00,260 --> 00:33:57,630
was quite a long time ago but it's

705
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,270
pretty interesting but that that's one

706
00:34:05,540 --> 00:34:03,360
sighting that was on land the light

707
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:05,550
itself that they want you know they went

708
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:06,809
underneath to check it out it was a

709
00:34:10,820 --> 00:34:08,280
brand new light that they're just put

710
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,830
out at the marina but I sent thinking

711
00:34:15,139 --> 00:34:12,480
Lee what was the attraction was it the

712
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:15,149
light itself or perhaps was it delayed

713
00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:16,770
attracting the bugs above you were

714
00:34:20,570 --> 00:34:18,060
falling in the water and a whole bunch

715
00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:20,580
of fish were feeding on the bugs so

716
00:34:24,830 --> 00:34:22,950
maybe camp was going after the fish that

717
00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:24,840
says bugs were attracting sound like a

718
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:27,270
chain food chain type of reaction going

719
00:34:32,330 --> 00:34:30,450
on there there's a lot of possibility

720
00:34:34,430 --> 00:34:32,340
but that's one on land sighting that's

721
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:34,440
quite interesting so I started talking

722
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:37,050
to a lot of local people and where I

723
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:40,050
live there's a lot of marsh and I

724
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:41,760
actually in front of the family they own

725
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:45,240
oh I forget how many I think 300 acres

726
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,850
of marsh here and I'm fortunate enough

727
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:50,159
to be able to go down and do a little

728
00:34:54,409 --> 00:34:51,720
bit of work there and set up game

729
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:54,419
cameras and things like that and there's

730
00:34:59,360 --> 00:34:56,850
been quite a few stories on them

731
00:35:03,320 --> 00:34:59,370
the guy that owns part of it he said to

732
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:03,330
me that his grandfather years ago had

733
00:35:11,690 --> 00:35:07,290
said that he saw two things out in this

734
00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:11,700
marsh and I'm like huh that he told

735
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:13,740
somebody that the world's biggest beaver

736
00:35:19,070 --> 00:35:16,320
has lived in his marsh we know in fact

737
00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:19,080
they weren't beavers I see but they he

738
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:21,420
said they're really two champs like he

739
00:35:26,090 --> 00:35:23,640
saw them sunbathing in the marsh just

740
00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:26,100
dark-skinned really shiny and they would

741
00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:28,230
come out every spring just like turtles

742
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:30,630
do that was an interesting report and

743
00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:32,490
then there's actually the most recent

744
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:35,700
report in the same exact Marsh he's a

745
00:35:40,730 --> 00:35:38,250
friend of mine now is a Matt and he was

746
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:40,740
down camping along with marsh system one

747
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:43,440
night and he got so scared because he

748
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,010
was good to go to the bathroom and he's

749
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,720
like what in the world is that noise you

750
00:35:52,490 --> 00:35:50,400
heard this thrashing through the marsh

751
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:52,500
and he shined a light out and he saw

752
00:35:57,110 --> 00:35:54,900
these red glowing eyes turning and

753
00:35:59,090 --> 00:35:57,120
looking at him and that's not the first

754
00:36:02,720 --> 00:35:59,100
sighting in that Marsh that someone's

755
00:36:04,340 --> 00:36:02,730
seen red glowing eyes so on the marsh

756
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:04,350
system they think they're a very easy

757
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:07,020
feed for these animals as well as hiding

758
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:10,260
in seclusion - they probably feed on

759
00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:13,740
frogs small fish snakes turtles who

760
00:36:18,650 --> 00:36:15,300
knows I mean they could be feeding on

761
00:36:21,230 --> 00:36:18,660
vegetation - we really don't know but I

762
00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:21,240
think it's a great place for them to

763
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:24,180
hide in concealment and since the water

764
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:26,370
so shallow it's an easy meal for them as

765
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:28,770
well okay as long as you're not feeding

766
00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:33,440
on humans exactly we don't need that

767
00:36:37,580 --> 00:36:35,940
there's a lot there's a lot of the other

768
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:37,590
guy on land sightings that are not

769
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:39,810
talked about and their son dating

770
00:36:44,570 --> 00:36:42,450
reports as well there was a little girl

771
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:44,580
that went down to Arnold's Bay which is

772
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:47,010
where usually where Benedict Arnold

773
00:36:51,890 --> 00:36:48,930
burnt his ship and fled to Crown Point

774
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:51,900
New York so that's another story but

775
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:55,920
anyway this small bay there's been quite

776
00:37:00,020 --> 00:36:58,050
a few reports and what's really

777
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:00,030
interesting is this little girl was

778
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:03,450
going down and her bicycle and chant

779
00:37:07,250 --> 00:37:05,970
this animal was on the beach and she

780
00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:07,260
said it was chant this girl was like

781
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:09,060
eight or nine at the time I'm actually

782
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,710
I'm actually

783
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:12,480
with someone that's Friends of a brother

784
00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:14,730
so I'm gonna get to talk to her and you

785
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:16,680
in a video interview which will be

786
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:18,210
interesting because I heard this story

787
00:37:22,970 --> 00:37:20,850
from Dennis and he had gotten a report

788
00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:22,980
from her years ago so it'll be great to

789
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:25,500
get a new perspective on this story but

790
00:37:30,110 --> 00:37:27,630
she saw this animal laying on the beach

791
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:30,120
with a long neck small head shiny this

792
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:32,310
the whole description of champ sixteen

793
00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:35,760
feet a link and it heard her like a sir

794
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:37,350
coming down there bicycle and it kind of

795
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:40,020
looked and scurry off into the lake so

796
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:42,300
you know that's a son dating report and

797
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:43,980
I believe that these animals are

798
00:37:49,940 --> 00:37:46,650
ectotherms and ectothermic animals

799
00:37:53,540 --> 00:37:49,950
basically rely on the outside

800
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:53,550
temperature to regulate their internal

801
00:38:00,130 --> 00:37:57,330
temperature alligators snakes turtles

802
00:38:03,230 --> 00:38:00,140
lizards are all ectothermic as well as

803
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:03,240
amphibians too so that's interesting

804
00:38:07,070 --> 00:38:05,370
with the sunbathing reports they they

805
00:38:09,740 --> 00:38:07,080
like to tan out in the Sun we need to

806
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:09,750
make some champ tanning lotion or

807
00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:12,810
something like that well that's that's

808
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:14,760
the thing though I mean the the fact

809
00:38:22,570 --> 00:38:18,330
that these animals are able to come out

810
00:38:24,740 --> 00:38:22,580
of the water and and get on to the land

811
00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:24,750
could probably give us some pretty good

812
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:27,420
clues on just what kind of species we're

813
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:30,510
dealing with here yeah absolutely I mean

814
00:38:36,620 --> 00:38:32,940
it's kind of funny because I'm tossed up

815
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:36,630
between reptile and amphibian for the

816
00:38:39,620 --> 00:38:38,220
simple reason that reptiles and

817
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:39,630
amphibians do you have a lot of

818
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:41,370
similarities but what's really

819
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:44,220
interesting with the ice I'll start with

820
00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:46,440
the eye shine the eye shine that the

821
00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:49,020
report that I'm getting indicate that

822
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:51,300
this animal is mostly nocturnal with

823
00:38:56,450 --> 00:38:53,610
this reddish yellowish eyes shine now

824
00:38:59,060 --> 00:38:56,460
american alligators give off this type

825
00:39:01,310 --> 00:38:59,070
of eye shine and the type of item is

826
00:39:04,810 --> 00:39:01,320
called tapetum lucidum which is actually

827
00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:04,820
a latin name for a bright carpet and

828
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:07,800
basically Moe you know nocturnal animals

829
00:39:11,420 --> 00:39:09,570
have this type of eye shine and

830
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:11,430
different species of animals give off

831
00:39:16,070 --> 00:39:13,800
different colors course is in particular

832
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:16,080
because I have three horses of my own

833
00:39:19,970 --> 00:39:18,060
they give off a blue eye shine which is

834
00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:19,980
really interesting and you get different

835
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:22,500
types of birds certain owls that give

836
00:39:26,510 --> 00:39:24,420
off red eye shine and

837
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:26,520
American alligator as well as Caymans

838
00:39:31,460 --> 00:39:29,610
crocodiles they give off a red yellow

839
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:31,470
eye shine that kind of berries here and

840
00:39:36,350 --> 00:39:34,170
there but this I shine indicates that

841
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:36,360
the animals are mostly nocturnal and

842
00:39:41,180 --> 00:39:38,490
what's really interesting as well to go

843
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:41,190
with that trait is the recording that I

844
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:43,410
have captured of these animals are at

845
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:46,290
night they usually start around 7:30

846
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:50,640
p.m. and one night I had I think I told

847
00:39:54,740 --> 00:39:52,290
you guys about the recordings that we

848
00:39:56,930 --> 00:39:54,750
captured in button Bay and the

849
00:39:58,940 --> 00:39:56,940
recordings I mean this is like constant

850
00:40:01,880 --> 00:39:58,950
and they wouldn't shut up I was honestly

851
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:01,890
laying in my boat with a sleeping bag

852
00:40:06,740 --> 00:40:04,110
and Dennis was sleeping on the other

853
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:06,750
little thing that folds out and he's

854
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:08,370
like maybe we should leave I'm like what

855
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:10,290
are you talking about that that's so

856
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:13,050
loud on on the speaker because I had an

857
00:40:17,930 --> 00:40:15,570
external speaker hooked up I had to turn

858
00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:17,940
that down and you know you just think of

859
00:40:22,070 --> 00:40:19,740
these animals being around the size of

860
00:40:24,590 --> 00:40:22,080
your boat so it's kind of scary and we

861
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:24,600
heard three individuals at around yoga

862
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:26,310
at the same time communicating back and

863
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:29,520
forth so that was it was a pretty

864
00:40:34,970 --> 00:40:32,250
interesting night and like I said the

865
00:40:37,490 --> 00:40:34,980
sounds started around 7:30 p.m. and they

866
00:40:40,220 --> 00:40:37,500
lasted to like 2:30 in the morning and

867
00:40:43,610 --> 00:40:40,230
then they stopped to like I think it was

868
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:43,620
4:30 and then they started for like 20 I

869
00:40:46,940 --> 00:40:45,330
get anywhere for 20 minutes and then as

870
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:46,950
soon as the Sun came up it stops

871
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:49,410
completely stops done

872
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,010
so using that for an example of

873
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:56,400
nocturnal behavior using the the

874
00:41:02,360 --> 00:40:58,410
sightings and video that you know I've

875
00:41:06,050 --> 00:41:02,370
captured on the lake a mostly toward you

876
00:41:08,540 --> 00:41:06,060
know dusk nighttime although around

877
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:08,550
noontime when the Sun is at highest

878
00:41:13,310 --> 00:41:11,760
peaks I've gotten video as well but I

879
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:13,320
think this is because they are an

880
00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:15,900
ectotherm and they're coming up to get

881
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,270
that sunlight they're basically basking

882
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:19,920
in the Sun just like the turtle do and

883
00:41:22,850 --> 00:41:21,330
the sun's really strong there's Turtles

884
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:22,860
out there popping their heads around

885
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:25,920
kind of the same thing so there's a lot

886
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:29,370
of indications to me as well as an

887
00:41:35,540 --> 00:41:33,110
phibian they also have a nice shine

888
00:41:38,180 --> 00:41:35,550
certain types of salamanders they have

889
00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:38,190
this reddish yellowish eye shine

890
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:40,260
they have the shiny skin champ has shiny

891
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:42,690
skin but champ also has these knobs on

892
00:41:47,420 --> 00:41:44,490
their back which is a reptilian feature

893
00:41:49,490 --> 00:41:47,430
that's why I'm kind of confused like are

894
00:41:51,740 --> 00:41:49,500
they in phibian are they reptile or are

895
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:51,750
they some sort of hybrid between the two

896
00:41:56,300 --> 00:41:54,570
and it sounds kind of crazy but with

897
00:41:58,610 --> 00:41:56,310
evolution we started out with in

898
00:42:00,110 --> 00:41:58,620
phidian's which turned into reptiles so

899
00:42:02,990 --> 00:42:00,120
there might be some sort of link right

900
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:03,000
there that was a separate species that

901
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:06,240
that came of maybe both I really don't

902
00:42:11,810 --> 00:42:10,050
know don't worry that absorbs it

903
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:11,820
wouldn't expect though that reptiles

904
00:42:17,570 --> 00:42:13,770
would be able to survive the the cold

905
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,580
climate up there in Vermont well we do

906
00:42:21,650 --> 00:42:19,440
have the common snapping turtle for

907
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:21,660
example and they basically in the

908
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,250
wintertime they go down and they

909
00:42:27,260 --> 00:42:24,720
hibernate down in the mud

910
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:27,270
mostly partially in the mud and the

911
00:42:32,210 --> 00:42:29,970
reason why they can sustain boom during

912
00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:32,220
the winter time underneath the ice is

913
00:42:36,830 --> 00:42:34,950
they breathe through specialized skin

914
00:42:38,810 --> 00:42:36,840
cells beneath their tails they basically

915
00:42:43,340 --> 00:42:38,820
breathe through their but if it wasn't

916
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:43,350
put in general term and that's how you

917
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:46,260
know they absorb oxygen that way when in

918
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:48,510
phibian which I believe that these

919
00:42:53,810 --> 00:42:50,280
animals had the fibia straits as well

920
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:53,820
like I said with that they will be

921
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:55,110
breathing through their skin and that's

922
00:42:58,460 --> 00:42:56,970
probably why we don't feed them all the

923
00:43:00,860 --> 00:42:58,470
time you know which is one of those

924
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:00,870
things where that makes a lot of sense

925
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:03,660
to me so like I said I'm kind of toss-up

926
00:43:08,990 --> 00:43:06,690
between the two and within phibian using

927
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:09,000
aquatic frogs for example in the

928
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:10,560
wintertime when they're down underneath

929
00:43:15,980 --> 00:43:13,530
the ice they actually develop these this

930
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:15,990
type of these crystals in their

931
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:19,290
bloodstream and it actually acts as a

932
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,020
natural antifreeze which prevents them

933
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:24,960
from freezing solid which is pretty cool

934
00:43:29,740 --> 00:43:27,900
so that's how they can sustain through

935
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:29,750
the winter as well so you know there are

936
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:32,130
native animals here in the Champlain

937
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:37,680
Valley that Gail Addie deter up to your

938
00:43:41,330 --> 00:43:39,690
kid you have to go to our break so would

939
00:43:43,580 --> 00:43:41,340
we come back we will continue our

940
00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:43,590
conversation with Colin and Katie are

941
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:52,780
[Music]

942
00:43:59,740 --> 00:43:57,830
explode the bazaar or e-ticket ride into

943
00:44:03,020 --> 00:43:59,750
the world of the paranoid

944
00:44:07,330 --> 00:44:03,030
strap yourself e'en as we traverse the

945
00:44:10,420 --> 00:44:07,340
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

946
00:44:12,830 --> 00:44:10,430
ghosts Lost Worlds

947
00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:12,840
cryptozoology waters as well as other

948
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:16,680
dimensions it's time to take back the

949
00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:20,490
night last night now you are

950
00:44:31,540 --> 00:44:22,680
electrifying hosts of exploring the

951
00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:33,830
all right welcome back to the second

952
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:36,270
hour of exploring the bizarre I'm Tim

953
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,170
Schwarz tonight we're having a cryptid

954
00:44:45,260 --> 00:44:42,960
night I guess would be a good way to say

955
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:45,270
it and our guests are Collin Schneider

956
00:44:50,780 --> 00:44:48,300
and Katie Elizabeth and we're gonna

957
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:50,790
bring Collin back into the conversation

958
00:44:56,180 --> 00:44:51,119
again

959
00:44:59,480 --> 00:44:56,190
so Collin when would we had to go to

960
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,490
break the last time with you we were

961
00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:01,920
talking about how some of your favorite

962
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:06,300
stories involves some of these cryptids

963
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:11,010
and and animal mutilations and now I

964
00:45:18,260 --> 00:45:16,140
live in southern Indiana and Indiana has

965
00:45:24,260 --> 00:45:18,270
had over the years some really

966
00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:24,270
interesting cryptid sightings and when

967
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:27,900
you were talking about the that the

968
00:45:36,410 --> 00:45:32,010
chicken coop invaders there was a very

969
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:36,420
interesting case in the early 1970s and

970
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:39,210
Rising Sun Indiana where is the same

971
00:45:46,310 --> 00:45:43,440
kind of situation where the this this

972
00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:46,320
creature would was breaking into chicken

973
00:45:50,540 --> 00:45:48,990
coops and and just basically just you

974
00:45:53,830 --> 00:45:50,550
know going through the chickens like

975
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:53,840
popcorn but one of the fascinating

976
00:46:03,470 --> 00:45:57,770
aspects of the Rising Sun cases is that

977
00:46:06,380 --> 00:46:03,480
people would go and take take shots at

978
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:06,390
this creature and it would disappear

979
00:46:11,930 --> 00:46:08,760
in a in a flash of light and then

980
00:46:16,609 --> 00:46:11,940
reappear like in another section of the

981
00:46:21,579 --> 00:46:16,619
yard so I mean for a lot of people who

982
00:46:24,370 --> 00:46:21,589
have have trouble with the idea that a

983
00:46:27,740 --> 00:46:24,380
Bigfoot could be it

984
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:27,750
well that that Bigfoot is is is just you

985
00:46:31,549 --> 00:46:30,690
know say like a North American primate

986
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:31,559
of some kind

987
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:33,450
you know I cite some of these

988
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:35,910
interesting cases that I think that

989
00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:38,400
there at least were some cases there

990
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:40,349
seems to be something more going on than

991
00:46:49,029 --> 00:46:44,720
just a strictly flesh-and-blood creature

992
00:46:53,569 --> 00:46:49,039
yeah I I've heard of the that case I

993
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:53,579
remember reading an older issue of state

994
00:46:57,529 --> 00:46:56,130
where Loren Coleman and Jerome Clark

995
00:47:00,140 --> 00:46:57,539
talked about it and they let her bring

996
00:47:02,529 --> 00:47:00,150
in a case up in their book creatures

997
00:47:06,109 --> 00:47:02,539
from the outer edge arm interestingly

998
00:47:09,849 --> 00:47:06,119
enough Indiana southern Indiana

999
00:47:13,269 --> 00:47:09,859
specifically has a long history of

1000
00:47:18,650 --> 00:47:13,279
mystery animal attacks when it comes to

1001
00:47:23,289 --> 00:47:18,660
Black Panthers coleus the best example

1002
00:47:27,859 --> 00:47:23,299
of that is the varmint scare of 1949

1003
00:47:33,650 --> 00:47:27,869
that whole year mainly from April to

1004
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:33,660
November but the earlier and December

1005
00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:38,250
also had some cases there are all these

1006
00:47:44,059 --> 00:47:40,470
stories basically every single night on

1007
00:47:48,499 --> 00:47:44,069
a large black panther creature was

1008
00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:48,509
attacking and killing dozens of animals

1009
00:47:54,499 --> 00:47:51,420
on various farms in southern Indiana and

1010
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:54,509
people flipped out there were there was

1011
00:48:01,339 --> 00:47:58,079
a daily newspaper coverage of the story

1012
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:01,349
on in pretty much every newspaper in the

1013
00:48:08,059 --> 00:48:06,210
area they near the end of it they

1014
00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:08,069
started making fun of it and having a

1015
00:48:13,309 --> 00:48:10,200
good time but people were genuine

1016
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:13,319
genuinely scared I when I talk about

1017
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:16,170
this case I always remember there was

1018
00:48:22,070 --> 00:48:19,650
this front-page story where this

1019
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:22,080
order lady is standing by her mailbox

1020
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:26,610
with a shotgun and the store the the

1021
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:29,130
caption under it is talking about how

1022
00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:33,090
she's so scared to walk the quarter-mile

1023
00:48:37,490 --> 00:48:35,880
to her mailbox that she has to that she

1024
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:37,500
takes her gun with her to make sure that

1025
00:48:46,490 --> 00:48:43,200
the varmint doesn't attack her and the

1026
00:48:48,530 --> 00:48:46,500
bulk of the predation cases that I've

1027
00:48:50,780 --> 00:48:48,540
looked at they're not actually animal

1028
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:50,790
mutilations it's a big confusion they're

1029
00:48:53,690 --> 00:48:52,290
separate from you know the cattle

1030
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:53,700
mutilation that people associate with

1031
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:56,850
UFOs what where it comes in with these

1032
00:49:00,770 --> 00:48:59,280
cases is whatever is killing what would

1033
00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:00,780
ever cause these animals to die is

1034
00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:03,420
definitely an animal it's definitely

1035
00:49:08,450 --> 00:49:05,700
some form of predation meaning they were

1036
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:08,460
definitely attacked for food reasons or

1037
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:11,730
for surplus killing reasons meaning

1038
00:49:18,830 --> 00:49:14,880
whatever happened would do to an animal

1039
00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:18,840
not similar to the cattle mutilations

1040
00:49:25,460 --> 00:49:20,940
where the question comes in is there a

1041
00:49:27,650 --> 00:49:25,470
lot of a lot of people feel that on some

1042
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:27,660
of these cases are due to you know the

1043
00:49:32,930 --> 00:49:31,050
Black Panthers or Bigfoot's or mystery

1044
00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:32,940
large canines I actually have some

1045
00:49:39,530 --> 00:49:36,750
stories in Montana of hyenas in the

1046
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:39,540
eighteen hundreds attacking um

1047
00:49:45,140 --> 00:49:43,680
chickens um so it's definitely some kind

1048
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:45,150
of animal that are doing these various

1049
00:49:50,890 --> 00:49:47,970
cases various attacks and there is a

1050
00:49:53,660 --> 00:49:50,900
wide variety one of the things that

1051
00:49:56,900 --> 00:49:53,670
sends up red flags and causes people to

1052
00:50:00,070 --> 00:49:56,910
be alarmed and worried is when the

1053
00:50:03,170 --> 00:50:00,080
animals get attacked it's not one or two

1054
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:03,180
it's the whole flock it's hundreds at a

1055
00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:07,920
time and that's something unusual at

1056
00:50:12,350 --> 00:50:09,480
least at least it's perceived to be

1057
00:50:15,110 --> 00:50:12,360
unusual when in reality it's actually a

1058
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:15,120
known process that happens with a lot of

1059
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:18,330
predators particularly cat felines and

1060
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:21,210
canines it's seen in domestic dogs and

1061
00:50:25,820 --> 00:50:22,530
wolves and coyotes and it's called

1062
00:50:27,590 --> 00:50:25,830
surplus killing and what happens is when

1063
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:27,600
a predator is in an area with a lot of

1064
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,180
prey animals you know the chickens the

1065
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:32,160
calves or whatnot and they're all moving

1066
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:33,510
around

1067
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,570
scared the predator will go into

1068
00:50:42,170 --> 00:50:39,119
overdrive and go and just kill

1069
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:42,180
everything it can it won't eat them it

1070
00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:45,060
won't touch the animals further it will

1071
00:50:48,970 --> 00:50:46,980
just kill everything this has been

1072
00:50:52,780 --> 00:50:48,980
studied very heavily in wolves

1073
00:50:56,359 --> 00:50:52,790
especially in Yosemite National Park a

1074
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,369
wolf group of I think five wolves took

1075
00:51:00,200 --> 00:50:58,800
down something like a hundred and fifty

1076
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:00,210
elk in a couple hours

1077
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:02,910
mmm wow we can take that startling

1078
00:51:09,530 --> 00:51:05,010
numbers and this is seen in domestic

1079
00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:09,540
dogs as well so and the other feature

1080
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:11,880
that is commonly brought up that gets

1081
00:51:16,670 --> 00:51:13,410
people concerned in thinking that it's

1082
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,680
not a regular animal that maybe it's a

1083
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:18,480
monster or something out of the ordinary

1084
00:51:24,530 --> 00:51:22,140
is the animals appeared to be drained of

1085
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:24,540
blood in a lot of the cases I tend to

1086
00:51:32,270 --> 00:51:28,170
think of the Bladen burro vampire cat

1087
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:32,280
from 1954 Blaine Bern North Carolina

1088
00:51:37,010 --> 00:51:35,130
this big black cat was said to attack

1089
00:51:41,900 --> 00:51:37,020
various animals drain them of blood and

1090
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:41,910
leave them to die when in fact none of

1091
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:43,500
the case none of the animals that were

1092
00:51:48,830 --> 00:51:44,730
claimed to be drained of blood were

1093
00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:48,840
actually examined by a veterinarian to

1094
00:51:54,650 --> 00:51:50,430
determine if they were actually drained

1095
00:51:57,230 --> 00:51:54,660
of blood when something dies your body

1096
00:52:01,099 --> 00:51:57,240
cools your blood starts to thicken and

1097
00:52:02,930 --> 00:52:01,109
it starts to congregate at the center of

1098
00:52:05,410 --> 00:52:02,940
gravity the the bottom of the body

1099
00:52:09,830 --> 00:52:05,420
essentially wherever however it's laying

1100
00:52:12,020 --> 00:52:09,840
when that happens the animal can appear

1101
00:52:14,660 --> 00:52:12,030
to be completely bloodless you can you

1102
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:14,670
know stab the animal you can shake it

1103
00:52:22,250 --> 00:52:18,650
around move around and it will not bleed

1104
00:52:23,620 --> 00:52:22,260
but it it's not actually drained of

1105
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:23,630
blood and this process is called

1106
00:52:30,830 --> 00:52:29,280
lividity and it's it happens in

1107
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:30,840
everything after everything dies and

1108
00:52:37,609 --> 00:52:32,850
they can take even just a couple hours

1109
00:52:40,580 --> 00:52:37,619
to occur so you take that combine it

1110
00:52:42,590 --> 00:52:40,590
with the history associated with an

1111
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:42,600
excess number of animals being killed

1112
00:52:47,059 --> 00:52:46,290
every single night and people are

1113
00:52:49,059 --> 00:52:47,069
panicked

1114
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:49,069
which obviously causes

1115
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:51,690
misidentifications of animals leading to

1116
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:53,729
the idea that they're seeing black

1117
00:53:00,039 --> 00:52:56,729
panthers or some kind of hyena or a

1118
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:00,049
giant dog saying when in fact they're

1119
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:04,890
panicked and they're seeing regular

1120
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:07,410
animals at least in my opinion I'd say

1121
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:10,380
out of the I've looked into probably

1122
00:53:18,620 --> 00:53:14,160
about 2,000 of these cases I'd say 99%

1123
00:53:21,439 --> 00:53:18,630
of them this is the case what now you

1124
00:53:23,709 --> 00:53:21,449
know what we have of course I don't know

1125
00:53:26,329 --> 00:53:23,719
if you've made any study this the

1126
00:53:29,749 --> 00:53:26,339
chupacabra mainly in Puerto Rico but in

1127
00:53:33,049 --> 00:53:29,759
a lot of other areas as well in fact one

1128
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:33,059
of our associates Corrales is working on

1129
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:36,089
updating some of his research findings

1130
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:38,609
and we should have a book out in a month

1131
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:42,650
or so called alien blood lust have you

1132
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:45,660
investigated or read up on the

1133
00:53:50,749 --> 00:53:47,400
chupacabra and do you think that there

1134
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:50,759
really are critters out there that maybe

1135
00:53:58,640 --> 00:53:54,209
may be more supernatural or alien than

1136
00:54:03,410 --> 00:53:58,650
earthbound so um yes I have heard about

1137
00:54:07,249 --> 00:54:03,420
the chupacabra I've read Krauss's book

1138
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:07,259
on it from the 90s I've read several

1139
00:54:12,469 --> 00:54:08,880
others Brad stager had a book about

1140
00:54:15,319 --> 00:54:12,479
vampires populated extensively and I've

1141
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:15,329
also read Ben Radford's book tracking

1142
00:54:24,589 --> 00:54:21,920
the chupacabra and the thing is with a

1143
00:54:29,029 --> 00:54:24,599
lot of the research concerning the

1144
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,039
chupacabra lividity and normal predation

1145
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:32,160
methods of known animals has been almost

1146
00:54:39,979 --> 00:54:36,209
entirely ignored a lot of it especially

1147
00:54:47,870 --> 00:54:39,989
in carouses original book from I think

1148
00:54:51,890 --> 00:54:47,880
in 97 he said that it was an impossible

1149
00:54:54,589 --> 00:54:51,900
to have been a dog that killed the

1150
00:54:57,189 --> 00:54:54,599
chickens and the goats that as it was

1151
00:54:59,930 --> 00:54:57,199
claimed by the skeptics at the time

1152
00:55:00,859 --> 00:54:59,940
because dogs don't attack what they

1153
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:00,869
don't eat

1154
00:55:05,390 --> 00:55:02,910
and because the animals appeared to be

1155
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:05,400
they he said they were drained of blood

1156
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,160
but you can't tell if they were drained

1157
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,559
of blood unless you do an autopsy and

1158
00:55:18,349 --> 00:55:12,720
you're a professional and at the same

1159
00:55:21,529 --> 00:55:18,359
time um dogs can dogs do it's a well

1160
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:21,539
studied process there are dozens of

1161
00:55:30,670 --> 00:55:25,609
scientific studies on it I've talked to

1162
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:30,680
zoologist I've talked to um there's um

1163
00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:37,140
this wonderful researcher who focuses on

1164
00:55:41,769 --> 00:55:39,089
animal predation by the name of Janet

1165
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:41,779
four-walled daughter she does a lot with

1166
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:45,359
looking into like animal predation and

1167
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:49,680
how Guardian dogs like the sheepdogs

1168
00:55:57,799 --> 00:55:54,960
um prevent that and the effects of a non

1169
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:57,809
trained domestic dog on livestock and

1170
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,960
they can decimate um several hundred

1171
00:56:06,229 --> 00:56:02,640
chickens in the night can be killed by a

1172
00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:06,239
single domestic dog and the target is

1173
00:56:12,769 --> 00:56:09,150
generally the throat exactly where the

1174
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:12,779
chupacabra is said to bite you know and

1175
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:16,799
so I'm highly highly highly skeptical of

1176
00:56:20,809 --> 00:56:18,450
anything weird going on with the

1177
00:56:23,930 --> 00:56:20,819
chupacabra I think the whole thing's

1178
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:23,940
kind of a bit of a mess and I think that

1179
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,170
the best piece of research concerning is

1180
00:56:33,979 --> 00:56:30,480
definitely been Radford's book tracking

1181
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:33,989
the chupacabra because he does consider

1182
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:38,730
the scientific alternative the the other

1183
00:56:44,809 --> 00:56:42,569
sides of the story concerning predation

1184
00:56:47,859 --> 00:56:44,819
and now I also would like to say the

1185
00:56:50,089 --> 00:56:47,869
only book that I've read of paralysis

1186
00:56:53,569 --> 00:56:50,099
concerning the chupacabra only work of

1187
00:56:56,599 --> 00:56:53,579
paralysis that I've read is his 97 book

1188
00:56:59,569 --> 00:56:56,609
so if he's updated his research I'm not

1189
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:59,579
familiar with that no you know there are

1190
00:57:07,460 --> 00:57:02,400
there are veterinarians and all who have

1191
00:57:10,059 --> 00:57:07,470
made on the spot investigation and you

1192
00:57:12,829 --> 00:57:10,069
know done the tests and oil on this and

1193
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:12,839
determined that it wasn't the Predators

1194
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:14,700
that there cause the

1195
00:57:20,569 --> 00:57:16,500
either the loss of blood or the removal

1196
00:57:22,609 --> 00:57:20,579
of the sexual organs and and so forth I

1197
00:57:25,130 --> 00:57:22,619
mean obviously especially with the

1198
00:57:27,380 --> 00:57:25,140
chupacabra you've got a lot of different

1199
00:57:29,569 --> 00:57:27,390
things that are mixed in together and it

1200
00:57:33,019 --> 00:57:29,579
makes the subject somewhat confusing I

1201
00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:33,029
mean we we have the reports from mainly

1202
00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:34,859
Puerto Rico of this thing that has like

1203
00:57:41,539 --> 00:57:37,500
a spot you know porcupine like guess

1204
00:57:44,059 --> 00:57:41,549
fine and then we have here in Texas and

1205
00:57:47,690 --> 00:57:44,069
maybe other states as well something

1206
00:57:51,370 --> 00:57:47,700
that looks more like a canine that maybe

1207
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:51,380
you know disease or have some other

1208
00:57:58,759 --> 00:57:54,690
mutation about it and they all seem to

1209
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,769
be get the seem to be lumped together so

1210
00:58:04,130 --> 00:58:00,960
the Texas blue dogs which is what the

1211
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:04,140
CSE calls them um yes every single one

1212
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:05,730
that's been caught every single one

1213
00:58:11,059 --> 00:58:07,710
that's been killed um has been

1214
00:58:12,740 --> 00:58:11,069
identified as one of four things a

1215
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:12,750
coyote with mange

1216
00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:15,839
a domestic dog with mange a coyote dog

1217
00:58:21,499 --> 00:58:19,619
hybrid with mange or a raccoon with

1218
00:58:25,309 --> 00:58:21,509
mange actually well there was one that

1219
00:58:28,579 --> 00:58:25,319
was a bear with mange as well um every

1220
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:28,589
single one and actually several of the

1221
00:58:34,279 --> 00:58:31,680
raccoon ones had videos of them not

1222
00:58:36,980 --> 00:58:34,289
attacking animals but eating berries and

1223
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:36,990
rooting around for scraps like raccoon

1224
00:58:42,049 --> 00:58:39,210
oh boy oh boy I would think it would be

1225
00:58:46,609 --> 00:58:42,059
kind of hard to mistake a UH a raccoon

1226
00:58:48,410 --> 00:58:46,619
for a good chupacabra well that comes

1227
00:58:51,950 --> 00:58:48,420
without their hair they look very much

1228
00:58:54,349 --> 00:58:51,960
doglike and another thing is the

1229
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:54,359
chupacabra is a great name for some -

1230
00:58:58,640 --> 00:58:57,599
weird so if it's weird-looking and it

1231
00:59:00,380 --> 00:58:58,650
was killed on a farm

1232
00:59:04,460 --> 00:59:00,390
it gets lumped in with the chupacabra

1233
00:59:09,230 --> 00:59:04,470
because of course it does um and it's a

1234
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:09,240
huge mess and again Ben Radford has done

1235
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,609
excellent excellent research Kearney

1236
00:59:17,779 --> 00:59:13,920
concerning the the Texas blue dogs and

1237
00:59:19,700 --> 00:59:17,789
the hairless canines and does a much

1238
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:19,710
better job of explaining at all than I

1239
00:59:25,819 --> 00:59:22,799
to it so I highly recommend anyone

1240
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:25,829
interested read his book talk to him he

1241
00:59:28,339 --> 00:59:27,599
said fantastic cryptids who although

1242
00:59:30,319 --> 00:59:28,349
well have

1243
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:30,329
to have him on I will have him on as a

1244
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:33,410
guest sometime okay well outside of

1245
00:59:39,769 --> 00:59:36,960
Bigfoot would you give a great deal of

1246
00:59:42,410 --> 00:59:39,779
credence to are there any other crypto

1247
00:59:46,279 --> 00:59:42,420
type creatures that you think might

1248
00:59:48,729 --> 00:59:46,289
exist that are and not do you know

1249
00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:48,739
regular animals that we may know about

1250
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:53,369
so I think um with cryptozoology every

1251
00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:55,650
bit of it's a possibility but the way I

1252
00:59:59,839 --> 00:59:58,410
approach it is not I think these things

1253
01:00:01,489 --> 00:59:59,849
are flesh-and-blood animals I want to

1254
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:01,499
prove it that's not how I approach

1255
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:05,569
things how I approach things is um these

1256
01:00:10,339 --> 01:00:08,400
stories this missus that has been built

1257
01:00:12,259 --> 01:00:10,349
around say Bigfoot Bigfoot's an

1258
01:00:15,799 --> 01:00:12,269
excellent example it's not a creature

1259
01:00:19,630 --> 01:00:15,809
anymore it's a mythology it is folklore

1260
01:00:22,249 --> 01:00:19,640
that we are watching developed arm in

1261
01:00:25,249 --> 01:00:22,259
the the fascinating thing to me is

1262
01:00:29,989 --> 01:00:25,259
trying to figure out what caused that um

1263
01:00:31,390 --> 01:00:29,999
and that's really kind of what I Ivan

1264
01:00:34,969 --> 01:00:31,400
Sanderson and bernard heuvelmans

1265
01:00:37,370 --> 01:00:34,979
intended cryptozoology to be when they

1266
01:00:41,469 --> 01:00:37,380
were kind of putting down the groundwork

1267
01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:41,479
for it not what it has become which is

1268
01:00:46,579 --> 01:00:44,609
people believing that something exists

1269
01:00:49,759 --> 01:00:46,589
so they are going out to prove it it's

1270
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:49,769
an investigation into what the origins

1271
01:00:56,719 --> 01:00:54,089
of this folkloric creature is with the

1272
01:01:01,249 --> 01:00:56,729
hopes that it is a new species of animal

1273
01:01:05,209 --> 01:01:01,259
um I think a lot of it's unlikely to be

1274
01:01:06,890 --> 01:01:05,219
what we think it is but I'm not

1275
01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:06,900
discounting the possibility you know

1276
01:01:16,219 --> 01:01:13,710
most certainly um when it comes to what

1277
01:01:18,170 --> 01:01:16,229
I think is most likely concerning

1278
01:01:19,940 --> 01:01:18,180
exactly what we think it is I think that

1279
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:19,950
the thylacine has a very good chance of

1280
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:24,690
still existing um but III think that's

1281
01:01:32,660 --> 01:01:27,690
partially just my personal attachment to

1282
01:01:36,349 --> 01:01:32,670
the idea and a lot of hope rather than

1283
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:36,359
evidence and research on my part for

1284
01:01:42,109 --> 01:01:39,119
those listeners that are unaware the

1285
01:01:46,930 --> 01:01:42,119
thylacine was a marsupial that

1286
01:01:50,829 --> 01:01:46,940
was killed off in the 30s it was armed

1287
01:01:53,779 --> 01:01:50,839
it looked a lot like a small dog with a

1288
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:53,789
stripe stripes on its back it's also

1289
01:01:58,910 --> 01:01:55,920
known as a Tasmanian tiger or Tasmanian

1290
01:02:01,609 --> 01:01:58,920
wolf and they were really really neat

1291
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:01,619
animals and there's a lot of support for

1292
01:02:08,269 --> 01:02:04,529
the possibility of their survival the

1293
01:02:09,890 --> 01:02:08,279
CSV has been sending lots of expeditions

1294
01:02:12,589 --> 01:02:09,900
out there has been working with

1295
01:02:16,190 --> 01:02:12,599
researchers on-site who live in

1296
01:02:20,989 --> 01:02:16,200
Australia and Tasmania in hopes to find

1297
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:20,999
the animal still surviving I think

1298
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:24,690
there's a good chance partially because

1299
01:02:35,620 --> 01:02:27,839
you know we do know that they did exist

1300
01:02:39,319 --> 01:02:35,630
at one time and a lot of the things

1301
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:39,329
concerning its extinction has been yeah

1302
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:41,130
I think it was a little premature to

1303
01:02:48,259 --> 01:02:44,160
declared extinct well now how about some

1304
01:02:50,660 --> 01:02:48,269
of these reports of like Oh dinosaurs

1305
01:02:55,089 --> 01:02:50,670
are flying is creatures that have come

1306
01:02:59,359 --> 01:02:55,099
mainly from I think the the year Congo

1307
01:03:00,859 --> 01:02:59,369
are you talking about the kongamato well

1308
01:03:03,890 --> 01:03:00,869
I don't know the exact name but there's

1309
01:03:06,380 --> 01:03:03,900
some people like the terror hurt yeah

1310
01:03:09,859 --> 01:03:06,390
mm-hmm the pterosaur it's called the

1311
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:09,869
kongamato if I remember correctly it

1312
01:03:16,039 --> 01:03:14,160
roughly means that which pits over boats

1313
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:16,049
along the river or something like that

1314
01:03:26,859 --> 01:03:21,650
um yeah it's supposedly um this

1315
01:03:31,749 --> 01:03:26,869
essentially a surviving pterosaur I'm

1316
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:31,759
skeptical of that there there's a lot of

1317
01:03:36,829 --> 01:03:34,559
evolutionary issues with the idea of the

1318
01:03:39,410 --> 01:03:36,839
dinosaurs and what characters weren't

1319
01:03:42,890 --> 01:03:39,420
dinosaurs but but um prehistoric

1320
01:03:47,299 --> 01:03:42,900
reptiles are still around um I think

1321
01:03:49,249 --> 01:03:47,309
that Ivan T Sanderson had a good idea

1322
01:03:52,460 --> 01:03:49,259
when he suggested that it might have

1323
01:03:55,849 --> 01:03:52,470
been a giant bat that we haven't found

1324
01:04:00,190 --> 01:03:55,859
yet there hasn't been really any solid

1325
01:04:03,970 --> 01:04:00,200
ports in a couple decades

1326
01:04:06,499 --> 01:04:03,980
well now I'm trying to think in name

1327
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:06,509
makkal Roy Mackel was it

1328
01:04:12,349 --> 01:04:09,930
I had several exhibitions to the to that

1329
01:04:16,249 --> 01:04:12,359
area there I met him once remorse no

1330
01:04:18,229 --> 01:04:16,259
longer relation yeah in in the seventies

1331
01:04:20,450 --> 01:04:18,239
but since then there hasn't been

1332
01:04:23,690 --> 01:04:20,460
anything and we haven't gotten any good

1333
01:04:29,749 --> 01:04:23,700
reports no some no no funding who's

1334
01:04:32,779 --> 01:04:29,759
gonna pay our well there well I'm I'm

1335
01:04:35,329 --> 01:04:32,789
also wondering it's you know the

1336
01:04:39,140 --> 01:04:35,339
landscape of the area where it was

1337
01:04:42,049 --> 01:04:39,150
supposedly located has changed

1338
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,059
dramatically so I'm wondering if there

1339
01:04:48,999 --> 01:04:44,400
if there was something there if it's

1340
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:49,009
there anymore to be completely honest

1341
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:52,079
just because the the encroachment of man

1342
01:04:59,720 --> 01:04:57,210
and the destruction of the jungle well

1343
01:05:02,989 --> 01:04:59,730
what what would you say would be the the

1344
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:02,999
the best evidence that we have for the

1345
01:05:07,999 --> 01:05:05,730
existence of a Bigfoot we only have a

1346
01:05:10,970 --> 01:05:08,009
couple of minutes here to break time and

1347
01:05:14,450 --> 01:05:10,980
why haven't we gotten the one and and

1348
01:05:18,140 --> 01:05:14,460
bought it out and you know into the

1349
01:05:21,950 --> 01:05:18,150
public eye to examine it under some

1350
01:05:24,769 --> 01:05:21,960
conditions well I don't think we have

1351
01:05:26,569 --> 01:05:24,779
any good evidence to be completely

1352
01:05:28,910 --> 01:05:26,579
honest I know a lot of researchers will

1353
01:05:29,390 --> 01:05:28,920
or get on me for that but I don't think

1354
01:05:33,319 --> 01:05:29,400
so

1355
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:33,329
everybody holds up as a best piece of

1356
01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:36,960
evidence is still disputed there are

1357
01:05:40,999 --> 01:05:38,910
scientists on both sides that argued

1358
01:05:43,249 --> 01:05:41,009
constantly I honestly think we should

1359
01:05:44,809 --> 01:05:43,259
just leave it alone the film is over 50

1360
01:05:49,579 --> 01:05:44,819
years old and we're still arguing about

1361
01:05:51,499 --> 01:05:49,589
it let's try to move on and solve this

1362
01:05:53,359 --> 01:05:51,509
mystery in a different way using

1363
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:53,369
something else see if we can get

1364
01:05:58,299 --> 01:05:55,410
something new something better with the

1365
01:06:01,329 --> 01:05:58,309
new technology we have instead of

1366
01:06:04,130 --> 01:06:01,339
arguing over this piece of some wall

1367
01:06:07,740 --> 01:06:04,140
important to the history I don't think

1368
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:07,750
is as important to the

1369
01:06:17,010 --> 01:06:11,680
to the whole field itself to proving

1370
01:06:19,650 --> 01:06:17,020
Bigfoot I'm I as I've worked in the

1371
01:06:21,810 --> 01:06:19,660
field of Christian theology as much as I

1372
01:06:24,930 --> 01:06:21,820
love it I become increasingly more

1373
01:06:26,610 --> 01:06:24,940
skeptical of a lot of this stuff and I

1374
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:26,620
think a lot of it's because of poor

1375
01:06:36,570 --> 01:06:30,930
research on the part of a lot of people

1376
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:36,580
the the thing is there's a lot that

1377
01:06:41,700 --> 01:06:38,770
people are that researchers are

1378
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:41,710
constantly trying to hold up as big at

1379
01:06:49,410 --> 01:06:46,000
best piece do you know the the crippled

1380
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:49,420
foot tracks with the the deformed foot

1381
01:06:58,530 --> 01:06:53,920
or or the arm the Skookum cast which is

1382
01:07:01,260 --> 01:06:58,540
the the partial body cast of a track of

1383
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:01,270
Bigfoot that was taken by Meldrum and

1384
01:07:06,780 --> 01:07:05,290
BFRO they they they're still being

1385
01:07:08,910 --> 01:07:06,790
debated they're still being discussed

1386
01:07:11,220 --> 01:07:08,920
they're not going to prove anything I

1387
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:11,230
think if people really believe that

1388
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:13,570
Bigfoot exists we need to change our

1389
01:07:21,300 --> 01:07:17,770
methods of research I hear our Bigfoot

1390
01:07:32,790 --> 01:07:21,310
Tim that's right we have our break we'd

1391
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:36,940
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1392
01:07:42,820 --> 01:07:39,530
two of the most electrifying researchers

1393
01:07:49,150 --> 01:07:42,830
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1394
01:07:52,210 --> 01:07:49,160
Lee and tinsmiths alright welcome back

1395
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:52,220
yes Colin Schneider and Katie Elizabeth

1396
01:07:59,680 --> 01:07:56,570
and we've got some questions from our

1397
01:08:02,580 --> 01:07:59,690
listeners so we'll start with Colin

1398
01:08:05,170 --> 01:08:02,590
first this is from Jerry and chat and

1399
01:08:08,070 --> 01:08:05,180
Jerry wants to know does Colin have

1400
01:08:10,900 --> 01:08:08,080
issues in the field because of his age

1401
01:08:15,970 --> 01:08:10,910
having people taking him seriously with

1402
01:08:19,710 --> 01:08:15,980
his research and investigations the

1403
01:08:23,950 --> 01:08:19,720
short answer is yes the longer answer is

1404
01:08:28,810 --> 01:08:23,960
it was a very long uphill battle to get

1405
01:08:31,390 --> 01:08:28,820
where I am today and the only reason I

1406
01:08:34,329 --> 01:08:31,400
am able to do a lot of the things I do

1407
01:08:37,900 --> 01:08:34,339
is through the help of Stan Gordon who

1408
01:08:40,690 --> 01:08:37,910
has acted really as a mentor he taught

1409
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:40,700
me how to do research right he taught me

1410
01:08:48,490 --> 01:08:43,370
how to talk to witnesses in the right

1411
01:08:51,849 --> 01:08:48,500
way and he has kind of helped me along

1412
01:08:54,130 --> 01:08:51,859
the way I remember like the fourth or

1413
01:08:57,310 --> 01:08:54,140
fifth conference I went to as a MUFON

1414
01:09:00,520 --> 01:08:57,320
event and he called me over grabbed me

1415
01:09:02,170 --> 01:09:00,530
and brought me over to all of the

1416
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:02,180
vendors all the researchers and there

1417
01:09:08,770 --> 01:09:05,359
were some big names there Nick Pope Nick

1418
01:09:11,050 --> 01:09:08,780
Redfern some really big guys and he

1419
01:09:14,490 --> 01:09:11,060
introduced me to them and said this is

1420
01:09:17,710 --> 01:09:14,500
the next generation of UFOs

1421
01:09:20,740 --> 01:09:17,720
cryptozoology and for Dianna talked to

1422
01:09:22,060 --> 01:09:20,750
him for a minute and he's helped me get

1423
01:09:25,410 --> 01:09:22,070
a lot of the connections that I have

1424
01:09:30,599 --> 01:09:25,420
today and also working with John Downs

1425
01:09:33,579 --> 01:09:30,609
has been more or less than Dodson he

1426
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:33,589
essentially right off the bat pushed me

1427
01:09:42,549 --> 01:09:37,489
to start writing and be able to if

1428
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:42,559
anybody doubted my credibility be able

1429
01:09:47,069 --> 01:09:44,690
to say essentially well I've been

1430
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:47,079
published so until Times in

1431
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:49,489
such-and-such magazine it's not to brag

1432
01:09:55,989 --> 01:09:54,170
but to kind of prove that yes I am young

1433
01:09:59,020 --> 01:09:55,999
but I have done my research

1434
01:10:01,419 --> 01:09:59,030
I am a capable researcher I am somebody

1435
01:10:04,779 --> 01:10:01,429
that is able to be taken seriously

1436
01:10:07,319 --> 01:10:04,789
because I have this stuff but I can

1437
01:10:10,299 --> 01:10:07,329
point to hey I've got a hump that is

1438
01:10:15,060 --> 01:10:10,309
what what what do your parents think of

1439
01:10:19,899 --> 01:10:15,070
your investigative work here well my dad

1440
01:10:21,759 --> 01:10:19,909
is more or less heavy support of it he

1441
01:10:25,509 --> 01:10:21,769
gets tired of you know driving me around

1442
01:10:27,879 --> 01:10:25,519
places and sitting at conferences for

1443
01:10:31,020 --> 01:10:27,889
you know ten hours a day every couple

1444
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:31,030
weekends but I don't mind my

1445
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:33,170
brother-in-law used to take me around to

1446
01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:36,320
all the meetings when I lived in New

1447
01:10:41,620 --> 01:10:38,510
Jersey and I was like 14 or 15 years old

1448
01:10:43,959 --> 01:10:41,630
he would come into Manhattan with me and

1449
01:10:46,209 --> 01:10:43,969
we would go to the meetings that Jim

1450
01:10:49,870 --> 01:10:46,219
Mosley had and then like three years

1451
01:10:52,779 --> 01:10:49,880
later I was Jim Mosley's assistant and

1452
01:10:55,779 --> 01:10:52,789
later became managing editor a sorcerer

1453
01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:55,789
news that he was putting out so yeah you

1454
01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:04,390
yeah and you know my stepmom is ha ha

1455
01:11:10,629 --> 01:11:06,710
she's interested in this type of stuff

1456
01:11:12,549 --> 01:11:10,639
too so when she kind of came around I

1457
01:11:17,410 --> 01:11:12,559
got a lot easier to convince my dad to

1458
01:11:21,700 --> 01:11:17,420
take me to Congress and stuff so I'm

1459
01:11:25,629 --> 01:11:21,710
pretty lucky there other new peers how

1460
01:11:27,850 --> 01:11:25,639
about your peers my so I attend a stem

1461
01:11:33,779 --> 01:11:27,860
school science technology engineering

1462
01:11:36,339 --> 01:11:33,789
math about you pretty it's pretty

1463
01:11:40,629 --> 01:11:36,349
highbrow I don't mean to brag but it is

1464
01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:40,639
um with a lot of a lot of work a lot of

1465
01:11:45,310 --> 01:11:43,369
crazy stuff so when I first started

1466
01:11:47,020 --> 01:11:45,320
talking about well I'm interested in

1467
01:11:48,969 --> 01:11:47,030
such-and-such and I came to school with

1468
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:48,979
my computer having you know Bigfoot on

1469
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:50,960
it and a rugaru sticker

1470
01:11:57,370 --> 01:11:54,530
all kinds of stuff people were hesitant

1471
01:11:59,530 --> 01:11:57,380
at first and then you know we talked and

1472
01:12:02,920 --> 01:11:59,540
you know I take a very scientific or

1473
01:12:07,450 --> 01:12:02,930
historical flash yeah everything yes you

1474
01:12:09,370 --> 01:12:07,460
do very very academic so it's a lot

1475
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:09,380
easier for them to they don't

1476
01:12:13,810 --> 01:12:11,360
necessarily agree with me but they they

1477
01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:13,820
don't make fun of me at least most of

1478
01:12:22,270 --> 01:12:19,510
that well yeah the other the other ones

1479
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:22,280
forget about it you'll be doing this for

1480
01:12:28,450 --> 01:12:25,610
40 years now and they'll well who knows

1481
01:12:31,900 --> 01:12:28,460
what they'll be doing so hopefully

1482
01:12:34,959 --> 01:12:31,910
you'll still be doing this 40 years from

1483
01:12:38,440 --> 01:12:34,969
now or maybe or maybe if you find

1484
01:12:41,950 --> 01:12:38,450
Bigfoot you won't be doing this 40 years

1485
01:12:44,130 --> 01:12:41,960
from now Tim he was saying well no no I

1486
01:12:49,180 --> 01:12:44,140
was the same 40 years and more hopefully

1487
01:12:55,090 --> 01:12:49,190
yeah all right okay now we'll show you

1488
01:12:58,780 --> 01:12:55,100
the rights to this show take it over

1489
01:12:59,260 --> 01:12:58,790
eventually I yeah all right we have a

1490
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:59,270
yeah

1491
01:13:04,300 --> 01:13:01,280
we have a question for Katie and this is

1492
01:13:08,830 --> 01:13:04,310
from tody on skype and Tony wants to

1493
01:13:11,229 --> 01:13:08,840
know you talked about the sounds and

1494
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:11,239
sightings that have come at night and

1495
01:13:16,150 --> 01:13:13,489
Tony is wanting to know if you've done

1496
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:16,160
any investigations with that generation

1497
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:18,800
three or four night-vision goggles I am

1498
01:13:23,740 --> 01:13:20,480
not particularly used those type of

1499
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:23,750
goggles but that is on my wish list but

1500
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:27,520
I do use a night vision monocular

1501
01:13:32,979 --> 01:13:30,800
basically military use and monoculars

1502
01:13:34,810 --> 01:13:32,989
are to brighten up everything I do have

1503
01:13:35,860 --> 01:13:34,820
a night vision not the way that I use

1504
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:35,870
out in Marsh

1505
01:13:41,229 --> 01:13:38,210
particularly at night out on the water

1506
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:41,239
on the lake at night I also have a very

1507
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:43,760
high-powered spotlight that I use as

1508
01:13:50,410 --> 01:13:46,400
well in the marsh which going out at

1509
01:13:52,750 --> 01:13:50,420
night it's kind of scary and I'm like

1510
01:13:54,430 --> 01:13:52,760
you know so excited to do it but once I

1511
01:13:56,260 --> 01:13:54,440
get out I'm like oh God could you hear

1512
01:13:58,150 --> 01:13:56,270
all these sounds all these frogs

1513
01:14:00,729 --> 01:13:58,160
croaking I mean some of these frogs are

1514
01:14:01,660 --> 01:14:00,739
like he's bullfrogs and they sound like

1515
01:14:04,419 --> 01:14:01,670
beside the champ

1516
01:14:08,410 --> 01:14:06,520
and it is just really scary out there at

1517
01:14:11,919 --> 01:14:08,420
night but I have used a night vision

1518
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:11,929
monocular also use a high-powered light

1519
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:14,210
and also I have a thermal imaging camera

1520
01:14:18,430 --> 01:14:16,010
it's not a FLIR it's called a Sikh

1521
01:14:20,169 --> 01:14:18,440
thermal much cheaper version than the

1522
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:20,179
FLIR because unfortunately I can't

1523
01:14:25,149 --> 01:14:22,370
afford the FLIR spend so much money out

1524
01:14:28,810 --> 01:14:25,159
of pocket money buying all my equipment

1525
01:14:30,850 --> 01:14:28,820
I have a few supporter that now and then

1526
01:14:35,169 --> 01:14:30,860
will send different funds to my GoFundMe

1527
01:14:37,810 --> 01:14:35,179
page I have up on on my basically on my

1528
01:14:40,149 --> 01:14:37,820
Facebook page for a champ search but

1529
01:14:42,459 --> 01:14:40,159
basically all of this stuff is just fun

1530
01:14:44,740 --> 01:14:42,469
self-funded from out of my own pocket

1531
01:14:47,950 --> 01:14:44,750
but when someone helps along the way

1532
01:14:49,959 --> 01:14:47,960
it's just a huge help this stuff is just

1533
01:14:51,550 --> 01:14:49,969
so expensive I have a drone which I

1534
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:51,560
haven't got a chance to use lately

1535
01:14:57,100 --> 01:14:53,810
because unfortunately one of the motors

1536
01:14:59,530 --> 01:14:57,110
just crapped out on me so that needs to

1537
01:15:02,590 --> 01:14:59,540
be fixed and I basically have the drone

1538
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:02,600
to go over these Mars systems to see if

1539
01:15:07,630 --> 01:15:05,330
you know we could capture some sort of

1540
01:15:09,250 --> 01:15:07,640
video of these animals in the marsh but

1541
01:15:11,979 --> 01:15:09,260
it will be really interesting is to get

1542
01:15:14,290 --> 01:15:11,989
a flyer on the drone at night and I

1543
01:15:17,189 --> 01:15:14,300
guarantee that I would see something but

1544
01:15:20,189 --> 01:15:17,199
that's very expensive thing to get so

1545
01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:20,199
big out there that wants to help me out

1546
01:15:25,870 --> 01:15:23,679
there might be how much we talking about

1547
01:15:28,689 --> 01:15:25,880
you know I'm not really quite sure I

1548
01:15:31,149 --> 01:15:28,699
looked online before I looked into it I

1549
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:31,159
think he was like 6 to 10 grand it just

1550
01:15:36,850 --> 01:15:32,960
depends on what kind of stuff you want

1551
01:15:40,060 --> 01:15:36,860
on it so you know yeah too bad David

1552
01:15:43,090 --> 01:15:40,070
Rockefeller wasn't around because he was

1553
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:43,100
for quite a number of years at the

1554
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:45,770
sponsoring at Chris O'Brien but I

1555
01:15:52,030 --> 01:15:48,080
remember there yeah he would send him a

1556
01:15:55,300 --> 01:15:52,040
check every so often for $10,000 but I

1557
01:15:56,530 --> 01:15:55,310
did well there might be a couple of

1558
01:15:58,990 --> 01:15:56,540
people out there with that kind of a

1559
01:16:01,950 --> 01:15:59,000
pocket cash I'm I'm a few hundred

1560
01:16:05,050 --> 01:16:01,960
dollars short but you know we'll keep it

1561
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:05,060
that's right anyway wealthy benefactors

1562
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:07,520
off there listening you know Katie

1563
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:10,850
Elizabeth she's she's on a great track

1564
01:16:16,660 --> 01:16:14,570
here and I just imagine what great

1565
01:16:18,100 --> 01:16:16,670
things that she could discover if she

1566
01:16:21,220 --> 01:16:18,110
had a little

1567
01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:21,230
financial help well what do you what

1568
01:16:25,780 --> 01:16:23,510
would you say would bring Champa out I

1569
01:16:29,950 --> 01:16:25,790
mean is there anything you know if you

1570
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:29,960
you know you dangle the huge the carrot

1571
01:16:35,260 --> 01:16:31,850
on the stick I mean I just use that as

1572
01:16:40,510 --> 01:16:35,270
an example what what would bring champ

1573
01:16:43,270 --> 01:16:40,520
out I mean to the surface there is many

1574
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:43,280
different type of tactics that I'm

1575
01:16:49,629 --> 01:16:46,730
starting to use I really don't discuss

1576
01:16:51,879 --> 01:16:49,639
them just in case they work

1577
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:51,889
we don't need 100 million people coming

1578
01:16:57,580 --> 01:16:53,810
out here and trying all these different

1579
01:16:59,560 --> 01:16:57,590
things that work so but one one of the

1580
01:17:03,520 --> 01:16:59,570
ideas that I had I can actually talk

1581
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:03,530
about I guess is that these animals do

1582
01:17:08,620 --> 01:17:06,050
echolocate that's one of the sounds that

1583
01:17:11,169 --> 01:17:08,630
I have recorded they don't just hack a

1584
01:17:12,700 --> 01:17:11,179
locate that's the thing like I have

1585
01:17:15,250 --> 01:17:12,710
other sounds that are ultra low

1586
01:17:17,410 --> 01:17:15,260
frequency sounds comparative you know

1587
01:17:20,379 --> 01:17:17,420
comparing them to known biology in the

1588
01:17:22,689 --> 01:17:20,389
lake I study marine biology as well as

1589
01:17:25,300 --> 01:17:22,699
ichthyology which is the study of fish

1590
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:25,310
and different fish sounds and things

1591
01:17:31,209 --> 01:17:27,530
like that to compare my recordings to

1592
01:17:34,300 --> 01:17:31,219
know and biology in the lake and with

1593
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:34,310
that in particular using echolocation

1594
01:17:40,270 --> 01:17:37,250
these animals are putting out a beam of

1595
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:40,280
sound and it basically like Braille for

1596
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:41,810
a blind person you know they're putting

1597
01:17:45,939 --> 01:17:43,760
out this down and whenever it hits say a

1598
01:17:47,970 --> 01:17:45,949
school of fish or a rock or whatever it

1599
01:17:50,830 --> 01:17:47,980
bounces back and give them an internal

1600
01:17:54,459 --> 01:17:50,840
image in their brain of the surrounding

1601
01:17:56,169 --> 01:17:54,469
area in Lake Champlain visibility is not

1602
01:17:57,580 --> 01:17:56,179
that great and a lot of places and

1603
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:57,590
unfortunately it seems to be getting

1604
01:18:02,530 --> 01:17:59,840
kind of worse in a lot of places because

1605
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:02,540
of all of the sewage that is running

1606
01:18:08,410 --> 01:18:05,679
into the lane there's been a lot of it

1607
01:18:11,850 --> 01:18:08,420
I've been having clean I had a clean up

1608
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:11,860
day a couple months ago to help with

1609
01:18:16,300 --> 01:18:14,330
basically the trash around the lake I

1610
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:16,310
clean up constantly you should see the

1611
01:18:21,419 --> 01:18:18,170
garbage that I pick up it's Dana

1612
01:18:24,910 --> 01:18:21,429
to me it's very important to sustain

1613
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:24,920
this lake I mean not just for chance and

1614
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:26,810
and you know he's only an unknown animal

1615
01:18:31,480 --> 01:18:29,690
in the lake there that are rare but just

1616
01:18:33,220 --> 01:18:31,490
in general to you

1617
01:18:35,580 --> 01:18:33,230
for a few future generations to

1618
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:35,590
appreciate the beauty of the lake and

1619
01:18:39,220 --> 01:18:37,730
there's just so many people that dump

1620
01:18:45,850 --> 01:18:39,230
their garbage and they just don't care

1621
01:18:48,910 --> 01:18:45,860
and I mean this is my hole or - it is it

1622
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:48,920
really is them but I mean the sewage

1623
01:18:52,540 --> 01:18:50,570
that's getting Emily I mean millions of

1624
01:18:55,450 --> 01:18:52,550
gallons of sewage in there like Oh will

1625
01:18:57,250 --> 01:18:55,460
somebody the button got stuck at the

1626
01:18:59,740 --> 01:18:57,260
water treatment plate no no you know

1627
01:19:06,370 --> 01:18:59,750
what you should have people Manning that

1628
01:19:09,790 --> 01:19:06,380
24 hours a day I would guess today as

1629
01:19:14,230 --> 01:19:09,800
things go in Washington there are less

1630
01:19:20,110 --> 01:19:14,240
and less people were watching out for

1631
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:20,120
things to that to that degree I would

1632
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:22,640
guess well can you tell us what is it

1633
01:19:27,490 --> 01:19:24,800
okay we've got a lot of lake monsters

1634
01:19:29,500 --> 01:19:27,500
here and in North America I think I I

1635
01:19:30,940 --> 01:19:29,510
counted why one time did an order there

1636
01:19:32,710 --> 01:19:30,950
was actually a magazine called sea

1637
01:19:36,220 --> 01:19:32,720
monsters or sea serpents or something

1638
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:36,230
which I was one of the editors and I

1639
01:19:44,830 --> 01:19:38,810
think we had about maybe 15 or 16

1640
01:19:47,620 --> 01:19:44,840
different lake monsters now but let's

1641
01:19:51,460 --> 01:19:47,630
take Loch Ness where I've also been and

1642
01:19:56,590 --> 01:19:51,470
compared to champ how do the two differ

1643
01:19:59,410 --> 01:19:56,600
or is there any similarity do you mean

1644
01:20:04,930 --> 01:19:59,420
between it be like say Loch Ness and

1645
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:04,940
Lake Champlain or the animals Deluxe

1646
01:20:11,110 --> 01:20:07,520
pretty deep and pretty chilly and both

1647
01:20:15,490 --> 01:20:11,120
and deep in both regards but how about

1648
01:20:16,930 --> 01:20:15,500
the the creatures itself well what's

1649
01:20:19,570 --> 01:20:16,940
really interesting like I mentioned

1650
01:20:23,620 --> 01:20:19,580
earlier that there are on land reports

1651
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:23,630
of Nessie and champ as well I I believe

1652
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:25,610
I really think that these animals are

1653
01:20:31,150 --> 01:20:28,010
some if they're not the same species

1654
01:20:34,500 --> 01:20:31,160
that they are somehow related there's

1655
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:34,510
just too many similarities of the report

1656
01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:37,130
some of the Nessie reports you know 35

1657
01:20:43,060 --> 01:20:40,490
40 feet long that's pretty large there

1658
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:43,070
are few reports the only Champlain of

1659
01:20:48,370 --> 01:20:44,960
these animals giving

1660
01:20:50,229 --> 01:20:48,380
up to 30 35 feet but it's rare and was

1661
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:50,239
to say I mean there could be more than

1662
01:20:55,150 --> 01:20:52,730
one one behind the other making it look

1663
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:55,160
much larger chewing and the thing that

1664
01:20:58,600 --> 01:20:56,930
that's really interesting too is that

1665
01:21:01,300 --> 01:20:58,610
there's you know they're septics out

1666
01:21:03,700 --> 01:21:01,310
they aren't and to me it's okay it's

1667
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:03,710
healthy to be accepted but you know a

1668
01:21:07,390 --> 01:21:05,930
lot of people knock people down oh they

1669
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:07,400
didn't see that but you know what seems

1670
01:21:13,540 --> 01:21:10,370
believing so I mean as a person who has

1671
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:13,550
had these experiences I I know that

1672
01:21:17,620 --> 01:21:15,050
they're there and I wouldn't spend so

1673
01:21:19,630 --> 01:21:17,630
much money and actually my whole life

1674
01:21:21,970 --> 01:21:19,640
here to Lake Champlain if I did not know

1675
01:21:24,340 --> 01:21:21,980
I'm a very logical person very

1676
01:21:27,790 --> 01:21:24,350
scientific minded and I do like I said I

1677
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:27,800
study so much biology on the lake and

1678
01:21:34,209 --> 01:21:31,730
things like that so the thing is this

1679
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:34,219
hundred foot long monster of sorts that

1680
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:36,650
is going you know going back in time

1681
01:21:41,410 --> 01:21:38,000
looking at all the stories and reports

1682
01:21:44,860 --> 01:21:41,420
from the 1800s and all these crazy

1683
01:21:46,900 --> 01:21:44,870
things like almost capsizing a boat and

1684
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:46,910
all these crazy story that's what makes

1685
01:21:53,500 --> 01:21:51,290
the lake monster idea sounds stupid to a

1686
01:21:56,110 --> 01:21:53,510
lot of people because they're looking

1687
01:21:58,270 --> 01:21:56,120
for this giant whale of swords Moby Dick

1688
01:22:00,670 --> 01:21:58,280
out on the lake you know it's it's

1689
01:22:02,650 --> 01:22:00,680
absurd and you know these animals in

1690
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:02,660
general around 15 to 20 feet in length

1691
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:05,330
which is not small but compared to a

1692
01:22:10,450 --> 01:22:07,520
whale I mean I was out North Atlantic

1693
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:10,460
doing cetacean research listening with

1694
01:22:16,900 --> 01:22:13,130
my hydrophone and and doing bioacoustics

1695
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:16,910
I remember this huge finback whale yeah

1696
01:22:23,380 --> 01:22:20,210
I think came up and I almost died of it

1697
01:22:26,020 --> 01:22:23,390
what the heck I mean it was just amazing

1698
01:22:28,330 --> 01:22:26,030
how massive this animal was myself Wow

1699
01:22:32,350 --> 01:22:28,340
make samples like a chump I mean it's

1700
01:22:35,620 --> 01:22:32,360
just no comparison so I mean but using

1701
01:22:38,770 --> 01:22:35,630
that for an example I mean the stories

1702
01:22:41,260 --> 01:22:38,780
have been blown out of proportion it's a

1703
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:41,270
monster it's a serpent and you know I

1704
01:22:45,490 --> 01:22:43,450
just actually wrote this new law

1705
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:45,500
protecting champ which actually got

1706
01:22:52,060 --> 01:22:47,570
passed which I'm really proud to say and

1707
01:22:53,970 --> 01:22:52,070
we're really about it do tell us I went

1708
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:53,980
over to Port Harry New York which is

1709
01:22:58,839 --> 01:22:57,050
called the home of champ you bastard you

1710
01:23:01,569 --> 01:22:58,849
haven't even maybe there was a lot

1711
01:23:04,509 --> 01:23:01,579
champ sightings in that area is it the

1712
01:23:05,979 --> 01:23:04,519
town that has a little billboard in all

1713
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:05,989
with the names of witnesses and things

1714
01:23:10,869 --> 01:23:09,199
on it yes yes that's it yeah there's big

1715
01:23:13,149 --> 01:23:10,879
champ sign when you drive into Port

1716
01:23:15,129 --> 01:23:13,159
Henry and I like there other side where

1717
01:23:17,049 --> 01:23:15,139
it says welcome to Port Henry home a

1718
01:23:18,399 --> 01:23:17,059
champ and there's like this perfect

1719
01:23:19,409 --> 01:23:18,409
champ on the side it's kind of

1720
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:19,419
cool-looking

1721
01:23:24,879 --> 01:23:22,639
but anyways one of these towns in the

1722
01:23:27,279 --> 01:23:24,889
Train and when the Train opens the door

1723
01:23:29,770 --> 01:23:27,289
you see the little you know wooden

1724
01:23:35,459 --> 01:23:29,780
monster there on the lawn of something

1725
01:23:38,859 --> 01:23:35,469
really yeah I don't know it could be Oh

1726
01:23:41,169 --> 01:23:38,869
was it no was it a wooden one that was

1727
01:23:44,379 --> 01:23:41,179
like green with like a root off yes red

1728
01:23:47,020 --> 01:23:44,389
no yeah yes oh that was actually funny

1729
01:23:48,339 --> 01:23:47,030
because um that's their mascot champ

1730
01:23:52,449 --> 01:23:48,349
which is not what it's like but it's

1731
01:23:55,449 --> 01:23:52,459
cute anyway you've got the little pointy

1732
01:23:58,209 --> 01:23:55,459
nose with just funny tech and actually

1733
01:24:00,040 --> 01:23:58,219
the guy who who made that wooden champ I

1734
01:24:02,020 --> 01:24:00,050
think he sent past waving with Earl

1735
01:24:04,419 --> 01:24:02,030
Sprague and he actually had had a champ

1736
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:04,429
sighting back in like the late 50s so I

1737
01:24:08,589 --> 01:24:06,530
know I'm familiar with that with that

1738
01:24:13,239 --> 01:24:08,599
champ and they actually is that in the

1739
01:24:15,369 --> 01:24:13,249
parade every year so so any I'm sorry I

1740
01:24:21,129 --> 01:24:15,379
didn't mean to rep you tell us about the

1741
01:24:23,469 --> 01:24:21,139
Lord well it was a it was a snowy snowy

1742
01:24:25,989 --> 01:24:23,479
day and we had terrible snowstorm here

1743
01:24:28,119 --> 01:24:25,999
on the Vermont side as well and ran this

1744
01:24:30,509 --> 01:24:28,129
storm and starting to approach I'm like

1745
01:24:33,099 --> 01:24:30,519
oh I have a meeting with actually

1746
01:24:35,319 --> 01:24:33,109
contacted the town superfly supervisor

1747
01:24:37,689 --> 01:24:35,329
over important Henry names Tom skies the

1748
01:24:39,489 --> 01:24:37,699
father so I thought well this guy is

1749
01:24:42,099 --> 01:24:39,499
gonna think I'm a crackpot and I'm crazy

1750
01:24:44,049 --> 01:24:42,109
and everything else and I had just

1751
01:24:44,859 --> 01:24:44,059
thought of this idea because back in

1752
01:24:46,810 --> 01:24:44,869
1980

1753
01:24:49,629 --> 01:24:46,820
there was a law passed to protect chance

1754
01:24:52,299 --> 01:24:49,639
at Port Henry which was actually brought

1755
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:52,309
forward by Joseph's our zimsky who was a

1756
01:25:00,909 --> 01:24:55,449
champ researcher back in the 70s and 80s

1757
01:25:03,669 --> 01:25:00,919
so basically this law stated protection

1758
01:25:05,409 --> 01:25:03,679
of the Lake Champlain sea serpent

1759
01:25:08,679 --> 01:25:05,419
referring to one animal

1760
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:08,689
sea monster with another line it just

1761
01:25:12,759 --> 01:25:11,570
sounded it just didn't sound logical it

1762
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:12,769
really didn't

1763
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:15,050
and but it was passed and because it was

1764
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:16,880
just so many sightings over important

1765
01:25:20,500 --> 01:25:18,650
Henry that a lot of the people that were

1766
01:25:23,589 --> 01:25:20,510
on the board actually seemed champ

1767
01:25:26,319 --> 01:25:23,599
himself so that's how that was passed so

1768
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:26,329
I said well you know this law actually

1769
01:25:31,989 --> 01:25:29,570
has dissolved because Port Henry is now

1770
01:25:34,060 --> 01:25:31,999
a hamlet of the town of Moriah so

1771
01:25:35,739 --> 01:25:34,070
basically the water was no longer as of

1772
01:25:37,239 --> 01:25:35,749
this year so I said well we need to

1773
01:25:40,089 --> 01:25:37,249
change that so I went over there and

1774
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:40,099
like I said it was snowing out and I get

1775
01:25:45,549 --> 01:25:42,320
over to the town offices and I sit down

1776
01:25:47,410 --> 01:25:45,559
with what Tom Stassi father I told him

1777
01:25:49,330 --> 01:25:47,420
my concerns and showed him some of my

1778
01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:49,340
videos and but I'm listening my

1779
01:25:53,770 --> 01:25:51,679
recording he's like holy I've seen you

1780
01:25:55,390 --> 01:25:53,780
on History Channel and Discovery Channel

1781
01:25:57,790 --> 01:25:55,400
you do really great work and he was just

1782
01:25:59,229 --> 01:25:57,800
so interested because he had seen

1783
01:26:00,970 --> 01:25:59,239
something strange when he was younger

1784
01:26:03,310 --> 01:26:00,980
and then he had uncle that had a chant

1785
01:26:05,620 --> 01:26:03,320
fighting as well so the town meeting

1786
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:05,630
happened and this was two months later

1787
01:26:10,509 --> 01:26:07,610
they actually put it off once they had

1788
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:10,519
other it expire in town so they had to

1789
01:26:15,790 --> 01:26:13,010
address really really important thing so

1790
01:26:18,549 --> 01:26:15,800
um he said well next month we'll we'll

1791
01:26:20,589 --> 01:26:18,559
see we can pass it for you okay well I

1792
01:26:22,569 --> 01:26:20,599
didn't go to that town meeting and then

1793
01:26:24,819 --> 01:26:22,579
I get a call like midnight from a friend

1794
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:24,829
of mine over in Port Henry now your law

1795
01:26:30,430 --> 01:26:27,440
passed your law passed only what I had

1796
01:26:33,069 --> 01:26:30,440
no idea so I was really excited about

1797
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:33,079
that and basically what it says I

1798
01:26:38,770 --> 01:26:35,449
changed the wording I wrote it myself

1799
01:26:40,569 --> 01:26:38,780
um where is Lake Champlain monsters and

1800
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:40,579
I only kept the monsters just because

1801
01:26:46,750 --> 01:26:43,130
special people no but I put an s on the

1802
01:26:48,819 --> 01:26:46,760
end has been documented documented by

1803
01:26:50,589 --> 01:26:48,829
many of our residents over the years I'm

1804
01:26:52,060 --> 01:26:50,599
kind of like cutting it down where is

1805
01:26:54,489 --> 01:26:52,070
all endangered specie they're entitled

1806
01:26:57,339 --> 01:26:54,499
to protection under both federal and New

1807
01:26:58,930 --> 01:26:57,349
York state laws and whereas champs are

1808
01:27:00,729 --> 01:26:58,940
apparently one of a kind hence of

1809
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:00,739
protection from harm and harassment in

1810
01:27:04,660 --> 01:27:03,170
vital and there's now therefore be it

1811
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:04,670
resolved all the waters of Lake

1812
01:27:09,819 --> 01:27:06,530
Champlain which adjoined Port Henry and

1813
01:27:11,709 --> 01:27:09,829
Mariah are hereby declared off-limits to

1814
01:27:13,569 --> 01:27:11,719
anyone who would in any way harm for

1815
01:27:14,620 --> 01:27:13,579
acid destroy the creatures known as

1816
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:14,630
champ

1817
01:27:21,850 --> 01:27:19,280
well I rewarded that at the end so so it

1818
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:21,860
sounds logical because this is a

1819
01:27:26,650 --> 01:27:25,489
population of in my opinion biological

1820
01:27:29,620 --> 01:27:26,660
creatures that are yet

1821
01:27:31,630 --> 01:27:29,630
to be identified I don't think that

1822
01:27:32,950 --> 01:27:31,640
these animals are in the fossil record I

1823
01:27:34,330 --> 01:27:32,960
don't think they're a pleaseö sore I

1824
01:27:37,390 --> 01:27:34,340
don't think there's a nice trophy

1825
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:37,400
I just think they have they possess

1826
01:27:42,370 --> 01:27:40,850
reptilian and a fibia straight I don't

1827
01:27:47,890 --> 01:27:42,380
think that they're in the known fossil

1828
01:27:51,820 --> 01:27:47,900
record so hey I have to ask you what do

1829
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:51,830
you think about the idea of a law that

1830
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:53,330
would prevent people from taking a

1831
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:00,080
potshot at Bigfoot so um when it comes

1832
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:03,650
to killing animals for proving their

1833
01:28:11,500 --> 01:28:08,210
existence the thing is a body's the only

1834
01:28:15,220 --> 01:28:11,510
thing that a lot of the zoological

1835
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:15,230
community will take as evidence that it

1836
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:18,080
is a separate distinct species because

1837
01:28:23,530 --> 01:28:21,410
with that you can do anatomical studies

1838
01:28:28,230 --> 01:28:23,540
you can do DNA tests you can figure out

1839
01:28:30,490 --> 01:28:28,240
exactly where it falls in the taxonomy

1840
01:28:34,780 --> 01:28:30,500
there's a lot of debate whether or not

1841
01:28:39,670 --> 01:28:34,790
it's ethical I personally do not have an

1842
01:28:44,020 --> 01:28:39,680
issue with it simply because these

1843
01:28:46,180 --> 01:28:44,030
animals if they do exist in the way a

1844
01:28:49,480 --> 01:28:46,190
lot of in the way the folklore states

1845
01:28:52,750 --> 01:28:49,490
they're obviously rare they do need to

1846
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:52,760
be protected and to be protected

1847
01:29:00,760 --> 01:28:57,050
generally they need to be discovered

1848
01:29:04,510 --> 01:29:00,770
first a lot of the laws protecting these

1849
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:04,520
animals are just small-town laws for the

1850
01:29:14,940 --> 01:29:09,770
small areas air like the Minerva monster

1851
01:29:16,330 --> 01:29:14,950
of law hey we're running ten Mar 23

1852
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:16,340
minutes left

1853
01:29:21,670 --> 01:29:18,650
all right well Tim you take over and

1854
01:29:23,530 --> 01:29:21,680
let's well all right let's our our

1855
01:29:26,440 --> 01:29:23,540
listeners want to know more about our

1856
01:29:28,210 --> 01:29:26,450
guests so Katie what about you where can

1857
01:29:30,730 --> 01:29:28,220
our listeners find out more about you

1858
01:29:32,890 --> 01:29:30,740
basically they can go to actually the

1859
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:32,900
best way to follow my my research on

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champ is through our Facebook page just

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type in champ search in the search bar

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and our page will pop up I basically do

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up

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videos live videos I'm actually working

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on a few different papers on champ

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different theories that I have behavior

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morphology things like that

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and also our website which is WWF Ischl

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champ search webs calm alright and great

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research yes I'll call where do people

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read your yeah so unfortunately my radio

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my radio station shut down a couple

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months ago so I do not have a show

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anymore I am working on a bunch of stuff

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and you can find all the updates on that

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on my facebook page which is a crypto -

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kid and then I have a blog which is

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paranormal 1:01 dot blog spot.com but i

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don't update that as much generally I

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put like book reviews and a handful of

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announcements up there where we will

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have to send you a couple of or we will

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have to send you a couple copies of our

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the books that we published on

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cryptozoology and I want to thank our

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guests for this evening and I want to

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thank Tina and Peter and Carol and Tim

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my co-host and don't forget our youtube

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channel which is mr. ufos secret files

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if you enjoyed the program and you

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listen to it every Thursday night on ke

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cor radio and it's archived there as

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well you go to youtube because we had a

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lot of visuals to it mr. UFO secret

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you've been listening to exploring the

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bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley and T

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Swartz they're taking back the night by

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jetting non-stop across the cosmos in

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search of the truly bizarre and totally

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unexplained with you as their cold

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Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific

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10:00 p.m.

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on the K cor digital radio

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for more information on exploring the

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bazaar and hosts Timothy Becca and Tim

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Swartz check out their kco our digital

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radio network follow their YouTube